The UCSB shooter--an Aspie with a rant against women

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Revolting.

Apart from him speaking of mass murder, everything he says is just the regular misogynistic BS you hear ALL the time,is it not? Its a classic by now...
Yada yada yada girls are objects who owe me sex and love because I want them to, if im nice to a girl she owes me access to her body and her feelings or else...
The whole Oooh, Im so nice and such a gentleman and so much better than the other guys, better than every guy who has a girlfriend/sexual partner, and girls dont want me even though they are SUPPOSED, ney - OBLIGATED to, which makes them cruel/bad/sluts/whores/deserving of the verbal abuse I throw their way after they DARE to not like me back

We've heard it all before, over and over and over again.

Ok this clearly upset me, sorry for ranting. I very recently got an aggressive email VERY VERY similar to this, without the threats of mass murder of course!, sent to me by a guy I dont know well or like at all, who feels he is entitled to my body and my affection, and is FURIOUS i've denied him this.

Loneliness + Rejections + Time = Crazy.... Just a matter of time before all three of those does a number on a person. Loneliness leads to rejections, rejections lead to a sense of powerlessness, over time the rejections instill resentment. Eventually coming to a boiling point where all the rage, frustration, and anger needs to simply end.

I would advice other males in similar position to simply take yourself out -- no matter how many people you kill you wont be able to change the world, and it's much worse to be a monster than just a lonely dead guy.

Also, can we expand males/guy to include females/gal?

If you cannot handle the rejection, do not enter a situation where you may be rejected.

Resentment comes from a sense of entitlement. Otherwise there is nothing to resent. He wanted something - thought himself entitled to it - and was utterly, gobsmackingly bewildered when he couldn't have it. This is not a rare thing, and is not formed in a vacuum.

I found this interesting. I've already posted it in the thread in News:

http://bellejar.ca/2014/05/24/elliot-ro ... ate-women/

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Right. How long has it been since that gym guy decided murder was a great solution? And that's just a high-profile case. Google "rejected killed" or "attacked girlfriend" or...I mean there's not even any need to do this, it's SOP for women's shelters, if a woman leaves an abusive or manipulative/controlling guy, not that these are rare, she's in physical danger and so are her children.

And then you get guys like Klowglas shrugging and saying, well, just gonna happen. When in fact Hopper is absolutely right. You get resentment only when you feel you've been done out of something that's rightfully yours -- when you have a sense of entitlement to something you were never, ever entitled to.

I don't think most aspie women will fall to those depths because their reproductive abilities adds a lot of value in their desirability to a society...most of these shooters tend to always be males because of that.

No. I just have to strongly disagree with you here.

Do not make this out to be a normal thing (the feelings expressed by this man, I mean). They are NOT normal feelings, they are NOT logical, and while commonly expressed - they not EVER normal. Any person who feels like that should seek help. Morally sound men do not feel rage or contempt towards women when they experience rejection, normal men do not adhere to the logic expressed by this lunatic and so many others.

Because its not okay or normal to blame women when being rejected. They do not owe you anything. No one owes anyone sex or love. No one is entitled to someone elses affection, ever. Any sense of entitlement you may feel, is incorrect, you have been misinformed about the state of things and should probably seek help or in the very very least try to better yourself and stop thinking of women as playthings who exist for you f-ng enjoyment.

If a person isolated themselves it wouldn't fix loneliness though, they're literally between a rock and a hard place. Lonelines is what leads to those attempts, which then led to rejections and a sense of powerlessness.

It's somehwat hard for me to divorse the want of a significant other from a sense of entitlement, it just seems to me that it comes with your humanity, you want to believe that there is a singificant other because there is a part of our brains that desires it with a passion. It's hard to seperate this intense passion from that longing, it's just a wild and intense thing by it's nature. Which is why these guys can't completely isolate themselves and be content in that... we're made to have significant others.

Only if you objectify the significant other. But this SO isn't an object, she's a person. You don't "get to have" people.

My dear, I am a 40something woman who works her ass off daily, on her own, without family, to raise a child and make sure that child can go to school and spend her own 40s and 50s doing something other than supporting her mother. I haven't lived with a man in nearly a decade; I've given up on the idea of finding anyone compatible. Do I feel entitled to have a man in my life, no. Of course not. Do I feel enraged when I go to pick up my daughter from a sleepover at a friend's giant house and chat with the friend's stay-home mom, christ no. I'm just glad that my kid gets to have such a good time in a nice place, and that someone's got leisure to arrange fun parties she can attend. (I also know that other people are actually people, with their own problems and hardships -- even stay-home moms with big fancy houses.)

You are not, repeat not, entitled to a woman in your life. Neither is any other man.

People are only "entitled," really, to what they have worked for--plus privacy, health, and the ability to pursue happiness.

Please, please stop this nonsense. It is hateful and hurtful.

Doesn't matter how strong you are, you still have you moments of weakness where you wish you had a man, it doesn't matter how many years it can take for that moment to come or how strong you perceive yourself to be, you WILL want a significant other through various stages of your life, and without a doubt, his absence is felt. That part of your humanity can't simply be denied, some people break under the weight of its absense, others can endure it, but it's still very much felt.

If that intense want of love isn't entitlement I don't know what entitlement is. I just can't separate an intense want of love from a persons humanity, and please try because I simply can't conceive of the human that doesn't want love.

We need to look at the bigger picture here, young men who feel lonely now, don't give up as some people are late bloomers. Trust me, sex isn't all that, it's good but it's not the holy grail and it won't fulfil you and it won't solve all of your problems, lust isn't as creative as the discovery of it, you think it is because it seems exotic. You will still be different to the rest of humanity and if you draw your value from the emotional whimsical desires of a woman, you need to question yourself.

Sex doesn't always empower and it isn't. Many people end up marrying, divorcing and paying child support because they choose to live a lifestyle of partying or giving into social pressure. They are no longer free to travel the world or fulfil their dreams as fully as you are.

Also this murderer is a poster boy of what is wrong with the United States, he is a result of people emphasising materialism and hedonism over the spirit and wisdom. Be more than him, focus on acquiring spiritual and physical wealth, finding deep down what makes you happy.

Last but not least, don't be afraid to go to a sex worker if you are so intent on sex, there is a stigma in the US against them but you just need to see it as social skills training. The sex worker is someone helping you build technique and confidence for when you are faced with other women. As long as no one is being solicited, I believe it's fine, do you really think those women in expensive bars in New York are with bankers or stock brokers for their recitation of poetry or understanding of Shakespeare?

Do you really think all the people having sex right now are deeply in love? No, of course not so don't feel guilty to go to a sex worker. They have a far more honest price and a more liberal open view on sex instead of a religious "sex is a sacred" one.

So my advice..spend a few weekends in a massage parlour, preferably Asian or in Asian communities and get to know some people who aren't jaded with this "sex is sacred" attitude. Get it out your system, screw the Hollywood perfect family monogamy image. Do what you feel like, not what society wants and don't let it define your value or worth.

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And by the way, this whole alpha male bull phenomenon is a US sensation, most non Western women are happy to find a good guy.

US women are not just a baffle to US men but they baffle the entire world when they go for douches, most of the MTV douches would be seen as vulgar and unattractive in other cultures and communities.

In Asia or certain parts of Europe, you will find a nicer women and there's a ninety five percent chance she will fulfil your desires better.

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I think the problem is there's a lack of alternatives. The world we live in is very cold and shallow. The younger generation people don't even talk to their neighbors at all. Everyone lives in their own little cocoon. People who are alone and isolated are ignored. I sense a certain rudeness and stuck-up-ness with 20-somethings these days. They don't even smile or say hi in the hall. People don't talk to neighbors, they just blast music and have a good time in their little cacoons with their people. If you died nobody would notice.

"I want" and "mine" are two very, very different things, and normally children learn the difference around the age of five or six. If you really can't tell the difference between these two, you're in line for some serious trouble, and potentially dangerous to others. I'd suggest you find a counselor to help you with it.

People all over the world want things badly that they have no right to, and won't ever have. Societies generally come to agreements about what people are and aren't entitled to. Normally the arguments are over money, health, and opportunities -- to go to school, to work, to own property (property, not people), to live in this neighborhood or that, to wear this or that, travel here or there, be supported in old age, have healthcare, have a place to live, be free from violence.

I can't think of anyplace in the industrialized world where the debates are over whether or not you get to have a spouse. Because they're people, not objects. You are not entitled. You may be consumed with longing, but no, you're not entitled, and neither am I.