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sly279
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26 May 2015, 3:12 am

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The thing is, I feel like I do act perfectly confident on dates. I've actually asked someone once about this, and they told me that I appeared as confident as could be. The only time I really feel nervous or unsure of myself is when I try to kiss them for the first time, but I'm sure that the majority (or at least a sizable portion) of guys feel somewhat nervous or unsure of themselves at that point, and I don't think that my nervousness is overly-noticeable then.



similar. though after being on here. I won't ever start physical things, hugs, kiss, hand holding. as Its been pointed out bunch of times here that said things are sexual assault and maybe rape. since asking to do such things will also ruini it and there fore anyway of the woman judging if there is that desire. seems rather at a lost. unless of course they start it since its ok to sexually assault a man and men can't be raped. though in reality women are hardly the ones to start such things on dates instead waiting for the guy to. But because of the above I can't. so I am at a loss of what to do.

though as I'm not a "real man" TM I won't ever have any dates again. which is for the best I guess since I can't do anything physical with them they'd probably just conclude I'm not interested.

why must I stay alive again?

really all these rules seem made just to prevent me from ever finding love so I don't see a point in life.



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26 May 2015, 4:26 am

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similar. though after being on here. I won't ever start physical things, hugs, kiss, hand holding. as Its been pointed out bunch of times here that said things are sexual assault and maybe rape. since asking to do such things will also ruini it and there fore anyway of the woman judging if there is that desire. seems rather at a lost. unless of course they start it since its ok to sexually assault a man and men can't be raped. though in reality women are hardly the ones to start such things on dates instead waiting for the guy to. But because of the above I can't. so I am at a loss of what to do.
If they expect the guy to start things that means they don't mind it when the guy starts things. Why would they be against something they want? Remember, girls are attracted to guys. They want to be with guys, talk to guys and be in contact with guys. Girls don't want to be alone anymore than you do.

As has been stated here before, if you go a little too far for the girls tastes you can expect a gentle push back, not a sexual assault charge. For a charge to stick they'd have to have evidence that you already knew they didn't want you to do what you did. Sometimes exgf had to give me a little push when I went too far but she didn't make a federal case out of it.

If you want the girl to initiate something, it helps if you're already very close to her. From my own experience, a girl is more likely to initiate a kiss if you already have your arms around her and if she has your hand in hers she can guide it wherever she wants.


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26 May 2015, 6:14 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
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similar. though after being on here. I won't ever start physical things, hugs, kiss, hand holding. as Its been pointed out bunch of times here that said things are sexual assault and maybe rape. since asking to do such things will also ruini it and there fore anyway of the woman judging if there is that desire. seems rather at a lost. unless of course they start it since its ok to sexually assault a man and men can't be raped. though in reality women are hardly the ones to start such things on dates instead waiting for the guy to. But because of the above I can't. so I am at a loss of what to do.
If they expect the guy to start things that means they don't mind it when the guy starts things. Why would they be against something they want? Remember, girls are attracted to guys. They want to be with guys, talk to guys and be in contact with guys. Girls don't want to be alone anymore than you do.

As has been stated here before, if you go a little too far for the girls tastes you can expect a gentle push back, not a sexual assault charge. For a charge to stick they'd have to have evidence that you already knew they didn't want you to do what you did. Sometimes exgf had to give me a little push when I went too far but she didn't make a federal case out of it.

If you want the girl to initiate something, it helps if you're already very close to her. From my own experience, a girl is more likely to initiate a kiss if you already have your arms around her and if she has your hand in hers she can guide it wherever she wants.


minor sexual assault cases are based off she said they said. not evidence. as how do you provide evidence of a guy saying something to you or a guy kissed you. or rubbed you. the legal system in the usa is geared towards believing women over men. Because it automatically sees women as victims whether they are or not.

but you can't know if they want it or not. and some like to play games. so they want it but want to toy with the guy.

actually others stated if you go little to far its rape.

but putting your arms around her could be considered sexual assault too. also dates aren't usually with people you know well.



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27 May 2015, 5:08 pm

I had the same thought process a year ago (which lead to several girls being very disappointed when I didn't make contact with them). Looking back it's painfully obvious that the girl I dated in December 2013 wanted me to make-out with her.

You have to get better at reading girls and deciphering what they want. Yes, aspies can learn to read people, not through instinct but by consciously thinking about it, much like how the deaf can learn to lip read. You may be bad at now but you can get better at reading girls through experience. With me each date was less disastrous than the previous one. If you want to be good at dating or anything else the key is to practice, practice, practice.


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28 May 2015, 2:11 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
I had the same thought process a year ago (which lead to several girls being very disappointed when I didn't make contact with them). Looking back it's painfully obvious that the girl I dated in December 2013 wanted me to make-out with her.

You have to get better at reading girls and deciphering what they want. Yes, aspies can learn to read people, not through instinct but by consciously thinking about it, much like how the deaf can learn to lip read. You may be bad at now but you can get better at reading girls through experience. With me each date was less disastrous than the previous one. If you want to be good at dating or anything else the key is to practice, practice, practice.


irrelevant. as I can't get dates. I can not practice as you say. women are people., not sports/or games or other things. so you can't practice as they won't allow it.



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30 May 2015, 11:51 pm

Dating is the first step in a marriage. That's the ultimate goal for any relationship.

How can people meet each other for the first time with the intention of romance? I need to be friends with a guy for a while before I can fall for him, and will only date a guy I can see myself walking down the aisle with and would be honored to have a legal bond with him.