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15 Aug 2015, 5:49 pm

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I am definitely not exaggerating. Sometimes I wonder if I am like am I creating memories or am I lying to myself but I talked to one of my online friends and I asked her if she remembers the time I was with my ex and she said yes and I asked what does she remember about her and she told me I said he was very controlling and weird. Okay i don't remember my ex being very controlling. I just remember I felt like he was controlling. I talked to my mom and my ex got brought up in our topic and my mom mentioned that I called her one night on my phone and I was in the car crying and then I hung up saying I had to go because he was coming and he will get mad at me for talking to them. Also my mom told me she can remember him arguing with me in the background when we would talk. That all sounded bad and I didn't even remember that one night or us arguing in the background while on the phone. But this meant I am not exaggerating and I hate that word because it's so dismissive. It helps to ask friends and family about your ex's so you know you are not exaggerating and making stuff up.

I just realized that my ex had a type of narcissism called convert narcissism. It all makes sense now. I no longer identify him as aspie just because he said he had it. Narcissism sounds more accurate and convert narcissism and Asperger's have traits that overlap so his "aspie traits" may have been his narcissism traits and no wonder his were toxic. That is why I do believe those women on AS Partners and I do not doubt they are in abusive relationship and the only thing that bothers me about them is blaming it on autism and acting like we are all out to get people and rob them of their emotions and feelings and bring down their low self esteem and they don't want to hear that their ex was a narcissist and that was narcissism, not autism. You would think they would be relieved but wrong. I can now understand why some members here have said those women's ex's on As partners were no aspie, they were narcissists.

I am also not exaggerating about the first relationship either even though he wasn't an abuser.


The last time something bad happened to me I journalized everything that I remembered because I think as time passes we tend to think that what has happened in the past couldn't have really been as bad as people are saying. It actually did help because I was tempted to call the person(s) again to get together and I reread my journal entry and NOPE. Not going there. No regrets.




I regret not keeping journals of our relationship when we were together but I did used to talk about him a lot here under my original account so all those posts are still buried on here.

Here is one of my posts about him:

viewtopic.php?t=28648&postdays=15&postorder=asc&start=0

I saw detail there I had no memory about. I wonder if that thread is what made me get it back finally and I should have just broken up with him there when I got the chance but stupid me.


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15 Aug 2015, 5:53 pm

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Why is it so common for people to talk about crazy exes? Are people just exaggerating? I bet I'll be a crazy ex.


Everybody's bound to have the occasional ex who takes the breakup badly. The person who has only crazy exes is either awful to all their partners or has a broken "picker".



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15 Aug 2015, 5:53 pm

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I wasn't exaggerating, either. I still have the scars to remind me that it happened.

Something else that I've noticed is that it seems that if a person does not have a crazy ex, then there is a roughly 50% chance that the person is the crazy ex!

I could be wrong, because I have no hard data to back it up; but there are 4 states to this claim ...

Person A is rational / Person B is rational (both are sane)
Person A is rational / Person B is irrational
Person A is irrational / Person B is rational
Person A is irrational / Person B is irrational (both are crazy)

... Just pick A or B as yourself and figure out the odds.


That's depressing Fnord. I'm surprised you decided to take the plunge and get married again.


I swore I wouldn't trust the next guy I am with after my ex and I would have to be with him for long enough before I trust him but I ended up getting in a relationship with my husband within a month after we met and we then moved in together two months later. I remember being nervous about it then too and got a two bedroom apartment for in case we broke up so he could sleep in the other room if that happened. But I didn't learn from my mistake. :lol:


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15 Aug 2015, 6:17 pm

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Why is it so common for people to talk about crazy exes? Are people just exaggerating? I bet I'll be a crazy ex.


Everybody's bound to have the occasional ex who takes the breakup badly. The person who has only crazy exes is either awful to all their partners or has a broken "picker".



This reminds me of the time when my brother and his girlfriend broke up and she decided later on to get back together because they were getting along as friends. But the more she pushed about getting back together, the more my brother started to avoid her. Then one day she came to our house with a friend and she trashed my brother's bedroom and left. The next day she bragged about it in school to her friends and oh boy did that backfire. You know the game of telephone, rumors started and kids and teachers heard she broke my brother's window and took a knife and slashed his mattress and other crazy things and by the end of the day everyone was telling my brother how crazy she is and good thing he broke up with her. That made her feel worse. But in the morning kids were telling him how he and her should get back together and he was like "I don't think so."

The reason why she trashed my brother's room was so he would call her and ask her to help clean it up but instead he called the new girl he was interested in who he had been seeing and hanging out with and she came over and helped out and boy was his ex mad about that.

But yeah his ex had issues. Mental or emotional, I don't know.


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15 Aug 2015, 6:23 pm

PillowSpider wrote:
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Why is it so common for people to talk about crazy exes? Are people just exaggerating? I bet I'll be a crazy ex.


Everybody's bound to have the occasional ex who takes the breakup badly. The person who has only crazy exes is either awful to all their partners or has a broken "picker".

Broken pickers seem so incredibly common that I'm not sure they are broken, but more "normal". Somehow I landed an exceptionally well-functioning picker.



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15 Aug 2015, 6:40 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
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Why is it so common for people to talk about crazy exes? Are people just exaggerating? I bet I'll be a crazy ex.


Everybody's bound to have the occasional ex who takes the breakup badly. The person who has only crazy exes is either awful to all their partners or has a broken "picker".

Broken pickers seem so incredibly common that I'm not sure they are broken, but more "normal". Somehow I landed an exceptionally well-functioning picker.

I think it's because people find interesting people attractive, but interesting people are often crazy.


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15 Aug 2015, 6:59 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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I wasn't exaggerating, either. I still have the scars to remind me that it happened.

Something else that I've noticed is that it seems that if a person does not have a crazy ex, then there is a roughly 50% chance that the person is the crazy ex!

I could be wrong, because I have no hard data to back it up; but there are 4 states to this claim ...

Person A is rational / Person B is rational (both are sane)
Person A is rational / Person B is irrational
Person A is irrational / Person B is rational
Person A is irrational / Person B is irrational (both are crazy)

... Just pick A or B as yourself and figure out the odds.
That's depressing Fnord. I'm surprised you decided to take the plunge and get married again.
I'm surprised that you're surprised. First, I am not you. Second, it's a simple problem that has a simple solution. I just kept looking for someone who was rational - someone who did not act like my ex, my parents, my former teachers, or any of the bullies and b*****s from school. When I found her, I married her.

The tricks are to (1) not set one's standards so high that they are impossible to meet, and (2) not assume that every person is going to be like the one person who screwed you over.



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15 Aug 2015, 8:18 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
PillowSpider wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Why is it so common for people to talk about crazy exes? Are people just exaggerating? I bet I'll be a crazy ex.


Everybody's bound to have the occasional ex who takes the breakup badly. The person who has only crazy exes is either awful to all their partners or has a broken "picker".

Broken pickers seem so incredibly common that I'm not sure they are broken, but more "normal". Somehow I landed an exceptionally well-functioning picker.


My "picker" improved dramatically when I was around 23. It took me six years to figure out that hot, alone, was not a good a reason to date someone.



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16 Aug 2015, 10:00 pm

I am trying to think about whether anyone I dated was crazy or not. Three examples:

1. I was 26, she was 31. Fresh out of a relationship. Seemingly not over the ex. Details I knew about her was that she had GAD, had asthma and weight issues and was also bi. Didn't eat very healthy, and often got sick and did have some issues with alcohol. We dated for about two months, things got intimate and she rejected my awkward attempt at trying to take the relationship to the next level. I remember the explanation I got was "I have been getting in and out of relationships for the last 5 years and want some time to grow." Also heard her say to me "I think you met me at a difficult time in my life."
I think in hindsight, I can say I was inexperienced and that she was in some sort of mid life crisis. She had been engaged to a previous partner (not the one right before me) and had indicated that she was upset she hadn't had children yet. Last we spoke to eachother, she was pregnant.

2. Was kinda hanging out with this girl with a group of friends while dating someone else (obviously this thing with the other girl didn't end well either. I was 27 and she was 21 years. She had a boyfriend which I didn't find out about until after we kissed. I got a little cocky after a while and thought I could get this girl. However, my arrogance let me down of course and this girl was nothing more than a troublemaker who loved playing the role of "damsel in distress" and would often cheat on her boyfriend. Often referred to bf as "piece of s**t." While somehow becoming just friends with her after a while (not before having slept with her of course when she was still with bf and also after she apparently broke up with bf). She didn't know what she wanted and was immature. The type that seemingly wouldn't let go of one guy until she had a firm grasp on a relationship with the next guy. Seemingly only wanted men she thought made more money than the bf (he was already a Masters with six figure salary and working on his PhD). Crazy? I don't know for sure. My friendship/relationship with her was probably the most toxic i ever been involved in.

3. Started dating shortly after I stopped dating number 2 and after it was apparent that number 2 never broke up with bf. She had issues lingering over the ex and was 23. Started communicating with him again while we were dating and seemingly out of nowhere. Was constantly mad at me over something even claiming when breaking up with me that I never meet her halfway despite even backing out on plans with a friend to spend time with her on many occasions. She chose to dump me the day before I went on vacation to South America. Decided the day I got back that she wanted to ask me how the vacation went. Found out after the conversation that she got back with the ex while I was gone.
Would proceed to try and lure me back to her a couple times over the next few months despite making it clear that she was still in love with the ex. Still talked as friend at one point and it seemed she was stopping. But after the first date with my fiance (then just dating), and after telling me how happy she was for me, she then proceeded to try and lure me back again (usually used a sob story about the ex when making her attempts to lure me back or when it seemed I was about to date someone else). I haven't spoken to her since and it did seem she was very hot and cold.


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19 Aug 2015, 12:04 pm

I have a ex who is about as obvious a case of Borderline Personality Disorder as you can get. I am almost certain she was diagnosed with it by a psychologist (after I insisted she needed professional help) so this isn't a case of me projecting it onto her. Let's just say all the warnings were true: I should have ran after the third date when after having a nice conversation about the importance of transparency, she ran out of the room an hour later crying and screaming for no reason (a nearly daily occurrence) and it only got worse from there. When I was excitedly telling my brother about how I finally found a girlfriend (being almost 30), he looked at her facebook page and texted one word to me.

RUN

I should have listened but I was too eager to get rid of my inexperience and find true love. I was further fooled by how "normal" she was in the first two weeks and how she wanted to marry me after just two months. I must be incredible... or so I thought at the time.

She partook in all the classic BPD behaviors: wild mood swings, angry outbursts followed by loving gestures (and repeat), screaming and yelling about how I wasted her time by being 10 minutes late... for 4 hours, throwing things, making false accusations, etc. My coworkers and parents told me I was going to end up being arrested because of her and one coworker I rarely talked to said with a straight face she would bail me out if necessary. They were frighteningly close to what happened in reality. It even ended with a threat of suicide and a few punches at my car which she never apologized for. Then again, she almost never apologized for anything she did and even demanded I give her back every cent she gave me to cover gas costs (she lived a LONG way out and had no licence). I even paid hundreds of dollars to a couples counselor and she stopped going once he basically said I was 80-90% right.

What's hardest of all to deal with is that many of my relatives are involved with women who have Cluster B traits and I laughed at how I would never fall for it. Oh boy I did and she nearly ruined my life. It took me a while to stop beating myself up for being so f***** stupid and staying with someone who treated me so inconsistently but like surviving a war or other crisis, you have NO IDEA what it is like until you are actually there.

It didn't help when I tried to talk to others they would reply "women are moody" or "get used to it", as if yelling and throwing temper tantrums was typical female behaviour. After extensive counseling, I eventually found a great woman (who is I believe 14 years older than the ex) and she has NEVER raised her voice or fought with me once. The wedding date is almost set.



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19 Aug 2015, 1:26 pm

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She once threw a vase against my head, shattering they vase. As I staggered out to the car, she shouted "How dare you! That was my favorite! "


I had a similar experience when I was in high school, albeit not a relationship thing. I was on a trip and a girl in the seat behind me smashed a buzz light year doll over my head and it ripped the doll apart in the process. She complained that I broke her favorite doll. I thought I was alone in that experience, but apparently not.