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01 Jan 2016, 10:40 pm

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I do not trust women no matter how much they drink.


That strikes me as being something pretty worth your while to explore further. In college, a lot of people of both genders go through a party phase, and it can be harder to meet people who aren't a part of that culture. But, if you don't trust women period, then you'll still have difficulties forming healthy relationships even after you finish school and people in your age group have started to settle down a little.



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01 Jan 2016, 10:50 pm

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If you're not interested in women who are into clubbing and drinking, then don't go to clubs/bars looking for women. If you're interested in finding a woman who IS into the same things you are, then go find groups of people who are into the same things you are. If they're not full of dicks, chances are that there will be a few women in there too, and some of them may even be single and also looking for a guy who is into the same thing they are.


I stopped going to clubs and bars many years ago. Instead I go to meetup events and environmental common interest events. They are like music, chill and peace destinations. Meetup events like movies, board games (very common), picnics, BBQs, swimming, hiking and that. I have been doing that since May 2015. I met women there too. Nothing is happening. I thought I hit off one who have PTSD but I stepped back because she have too many personal issues.

1)slightly more than half a year is nothing.
2)You had a chance with a woman, and you turned it down; that's not her fault, that's you making a conscious decision to not pursue anything. There is NOTHING wrong with this, but it does mean that you can't complain about never having a chance because no woman will talk to you.
3)If the woman you are interested in is very into conversation - and many NT women are - then it is no more shallow of them to not be into someone with whom they cannot converse well (you) than it is shallow for you to not be interested in women who are into things that you are not (drinking). Different people like different things, and *both* sides of a relationship have to match regardless of the genders involved.



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01 Jan 2016, 11:02 pm

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I do not trust women no matter how much they drink.


That strikes me as being something pretty worth your while to explore further. In college, a lot of people of both genders go through a party phase, and it can be harder to meet people who aren't a part of that culture. But, if you don't trust women period, then you'll still have difficulties forming healthy relationships even after you finish school and people in your age group have started to settle down a little.


I have met few postgraduates especially in their late 20s and some are 30 are still acting like 20 year old. Still carrying on silly things. I have a feeling that uni culture has dispersed since the rise of marketing. This attracts people to lose their minds.

How I develop trust with them? It doesn't even work after many brief conversations and that as they continually deny me and that. They kept lying to me about things, even after I found out it not who they are. I do want healthy relationships, but they need to stop going after too many wrong guys like a rebound effect. I can't see that is helpful at all.



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01 Jan 2016, 11:08 pm

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If you're not interested in women who are into clubbing and drinking, then don't go to clubs/bars looking for women. If you're interested in finding a woman who IS into the same things you are, then go find groups of people who are into the same things you are. If they're not full of dicks, chances are that there will be a few women in there too, and some of them may even be single and also looking for a guy who is into the same thing they are.


I stopped going to clubs and bars many years ago. Instead I go to meetup events and environmental common interest events. They are like music, chill and peace destinations. Meetup events like movies, board games (very common), picnics, BBQs, swimming, hiking and that. I have been doing that since May 2015. I met women there too. Nothing is happening. I thought I hit off one who have PTSD but I stepped back because she have too many personal issues.

1)slightly more than half a year is nothing.
2)You had a chance with a woman, and you turned it down; that's not her fault, that's you making a conscious decision to not pursue anything. There is NOTHING wrong with this, but it does mean that you can't complain about never having a chance because no woman will talk to you.
3)If the woman you are interested in is very into conversation - and many NT women are - then it is no more shallow of them to not be into someone with whom they cannot converse well (you) than it is shallow for you to not be interested in women who are into things that you are not (drinking). Different people like different things, and *both* sides of a relationship have to match regardless of the genders involved.


I seen people get quicker than 2 minutes after moving into new place gets a relationship. I met quite few guys in my postgraduate classes got their relationships with someone so quickly after less than a 1 month move into new city. I got so surprised women accept that quick. I wonder why?

I didn't had a chance, and no one told me I had a chance. I didn't turn them down. They turned themselves down. I never said a word relating to myself to reject them. I am very cautious guy and I tend to avoid over dramatic relationships. Like in my previous post reply saying avoiding rebound relationships. My psychologist told me it best to avoid them because it not making you happy. Only you feel happy is when in relationships, and not being single. So who is wrong then? I never turned anyone down. None of them asked me out. I only asked them out, and they turned me down.

So what you want me to do then? Continue the business as usual scenario like being myself to finish my masters degree, go to sports as usual, go to meetup events as usual, start new job as expected and that? It seems every single post on this thread pointing me out that I am doing my life terribly wrong and scared every single female species away. I feel should end myself because what I need to change? To become an alcoholic opposite kind of person to make someone else happy? Geeze, stop telling me what to do! I am doing totally fine with my own life. I only just want a relationship so I need a company to be with someone! Not like changing everything of who of myself to become an alpha male!



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02 Jan 2016, 6:06 am

Ecomatt91 I understand how you feel. I see people who are clearly unworthy of relationships (previous cheaters, bullies, abusers, low-lives, and just blatantly obnoxious folk) getting into them. But you know what? Relationships are not everything. If you do end up alone, so what? There is such thing as living life happily while being single.

Honestly, it seems like your search for a partner is bringing you sadness rather than happiness. This is not a good thing. It is also a sign that you should take time off from looking for this dream girl and do things that make you happy. Or better yet, focus on getting your master's. That sounds more worthy of your focus rather than looking for a partner.



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02 Jan 2016, 7:28 am

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I seen people get quicker than 2 minutes after moving into new place gets a relationship. I met quite few guys in my postgraduate classes got their relationships with someone so quickly after less than a 1 month move into new city. I got so surprised women accept that quick. I wonder why?


Many years of listening to Radio 4 afternoon dramas has taught me that people are complex. The whys and why-nots of various couples drawing together will be multifaceted. People look for different things in a partner and relationship.

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Only you feel happy is when in relationships, and not being single. So who is wrong then? I never turned anyone down. None of them asked me out. I only asked them out, and they turned me down.


My advice to any and everyone, cliche as it is, is to be happy being single. Work on that before you go chasing a relationship. To ask someone else to make you happy puts a hell of a lot of pressure on them and the relationship. It will also make you more likely to try and stick the relationship out when it is doing you harm.

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So what you want me to do then? Continue the business as usual scenario like being myself to finish my masters degree, go to sports as usual, go to meetup events as usual, start new job as expected and that? It seems every single post on this thread pointing me out that I am doing my life terribly wrong and scared every single female species away. I feel should end myself because what I need to change? To become an alcoholic opposite kind of person to make someone else happy? Geeze, stop telling me what to do! I am doing totally fine with my own life. I only just want a relationship so I need a company to be with someone! Not like changing everything of who of myself to become an alpha male!


You're Aspergian, and hard of hearing. Those make things harder for you than were you not so, without a doubt. On a practical note, do you have someone who could observe your interactions with women and give feedback?

But your options are the same as anyone in your position: you could wait it out. You could put it on hold. Or you could give up. What you are after - and this is what anyone who wants a relationship is after - is:

1) Someone who meets your standards who

2) is also attracted to you.

It may well be that there is no woman you could feasibly meet who fits this criteria and you will go through life romantically alone. Sounds lousy, but such is life, and such is the risk for all of us. There may well be women you've met who were attracted to you, and tried to show it, only for it to not even register with you.

What we may have in cases such as yours is a situation where the kind of woman you are drawn to is not the kind of woman who is drawn to you, and that you may not be drawn to the kind of woman who is drawn to you. You wouldn't be the first human to be in that position, and you won't be the last.

You seem to be looking for a teetotal virgin. I would think that rare at your age, but then they may well be looking for the same.

You may reflect on your standards, and decide to change them. You may reflect on who and how you are, and work to change that.

As I said, my own experience has been one of 'approaching' women through a medium, be it ink-and-paper penpals, or phone message dating, or online dating. I have never done it directly. In the case of online dating, there were thousands of women in who held no interest for me. I don't think I needed it, but this gave me a welcome perspective. There were a fair few in who I was interested, but they were not interested in me. There were a few who were interested in me, but I was not interested in them. And finally, there were a few interested in me, and I was interested in them.

A warning, of sorts. The difficulty I might face getting into a relationship is as nothing compared to staying in one, to keeping one going. You may find the same.


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02 Jan 2016, 1:10 pm

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I seen people get quicker than 2 minutes after moving into new place gets a relationship. I met quite few guys in my postgraduate classes got their relationships with someone so quickly after less than a 1 month move into new city. I got so surprised women accept that quick. I wonder why?

Sometimes people hit it off right away. This tends to happen with me when I meet another biologist, regardless of gender and completely apart from attraction. When you meet someone who thinks the same way as you, it's evident pretty quickly.

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I am very cautious guy and I tend to avoid over dramatic relationships. Like in my previous post reply saying avoiding rebound relationships. My psychologist told me it best to avoid them because it not making you happy.

You have standards. That's OK. What that means, though, is that YOU are doing some of the picking-and-choosing, not just the women you meet. The women who turn you down do so for the same reasons, though their criteria are different: 'I wouldn't be happy with this guy.'
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So what you want me to do then? Continue the business as usual scenario like being myself to finish my masters degree, go to sports as usual, go to meetup events as usual, start new job as expected and that?

Yes. Be patient. If romance were easy, there wouldn't be books and movies and entire sections of self-help books about it.
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It seems every single post on this thread pointing me out that I am doing my life terribly wrong and scared every single female species away.

Women are not some other species. They are human, just like you, and you have far more in common with them than you realize.
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I feel should end myself because what I need to change? To become an alcoholic opposite kind of person to make someone else happy?

WTF?
Weren't you saying something about not wanting drama, Mr. Drama King? Who said anything about suicide or becoming a drunkard?

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Geeze, stop telling me what to do! I am doing totally fine with my own life. I only just want a relationship so I need a company to be with someone! Not like changing everything of who of myself to become an alpha male!

Okaaayyy... Why are you on this thread, again...? Because you're happy with your life and everything's peachy?



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02 Jan 2016, 9:50 pm

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Ecomatt91 I understand how you feel. I see people who are clearly unworthy of relationships (previous cheaters, bullies, abusers, low-lives, and just blatantly obnoxious folk) getting into them. But you know what? Relationships are not everything. If you do end up alone, so what? There is such thing as living life happily while being single.

Honestly, it seems like your search for a partner is bringing you sadness rather than happiness. This is not a good thing. It is also a sign that you should take time off from looking for this dream girl and do things that make you happy. Or better yet, focus on getting your master's. That sounds more worthy of your focus rather than looking for a partner.


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02 Jan 2016, 9:57 pm

LKL: There are way too many women drinks and they make fool of themselves when drinking. I met heeps of them at uni and in many towns I lived. They get drunk and that. I am not sure its a 20s something kind of thing. I am very certain why I am a late bloomer its because of their delays of understanding what life is about. It not all about alcoholism and party for wrong things. Its too hard for me to communicate with a 'drinking' girlfriend because I have struggles communicating with my family when they are drinking. They aren't drunk, but communicating is so extremely hard. I couldn't understand them at all. Plus the noise, yelling I mean, and the smell makes me feel sick.

I asked few friends here if they know or understand 'communication strategies'. Unfortunately they told me they do not know what they are! I got a surprised a little because I thought I am behind than everyone else in terms of understanding skills, challenges, adaptations, strategies and that at my age. Though I am not professional at this, but I know more than them because I learned so much from attending to several counselling and psychologist sessions. I find this is rather shocking to be honest. That why I couldn't stop meeting women who kept bagging at me. I never approached anyone without knowing if she is good person or not. I didn't make that approach to occur, because I didn't know! We were strangers once.



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02 Jan 2016, 10:11 pm

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LKL: There are way too many women drinks and they make fool of themselves when drinking. I met heeps of them at uni and in many towns I lived. They get drunk and that. I am not sure its a 20s something kind of thing. I am very certain why I am a late bloomer its because of their delays of understanding what life is about. It not all about alcoholism and party for wrong things. Its too hard for me to communicate with a 'drinking' girlfriend because I have struggles communicating with my family when they are drinking. They aren't drunk, but communicating is so extremely hard. I couldn't understand them at all. Plus the noise, yelling I mean, and the smell makes me feel sick.

I asked few friends here if they know or understand 'communication strategies'. Unfortunately they told me they do not know what they are! I got a surprised a little because I thought I am behind than everyone else in terms of understanding skills, challenges, adaptations, strategies and that at my age. Though I am not professional at this, but I know more than them because I learned so much from attending to several counselling and psychologist sessions. I find this is rather shocking to be honest. That why I couldn't stop meeting women who kept bagging at me. I never approached anyone without knowing if she is good person or not. I didn't make that approach to occur, because I didn't know! We were strangers once.


If so, why not employ different strategies that might be more effective?


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LKL: There are way too many women drinks and they make fool of themselves when drinking. I met heeps of them at uni and in many towns I lived. They get drunk and that. I am not sure its a 20s something kind of thing. I am very certain why I am a late bloomer its because of their delays of understanding what life is about. It not all about alcoholism and party for wrong things. Its too hard for me to communicate with a 'drinking' girlfriend because I have struggles communicating with my family when they are drinking. They aren't drunk, but communicating is so extremely hard. I couldn't understand them at all. Plus the noise, yelling I mean, and the smell makes me feel sick.

I asked few friends here if they know or understand 'communication strategies'. Unfortunately they told me they do not know what they are! I got a surprised a little because I thought I am behind than everyone else in terms of understanding skills, challenges, adaptations, strategies and that at my age. Though I am not professional at this, but I know more than them because I learned so much from attending to several counselling and psychologist sessions. I find this is rather shocking to be honest. That why I couldn't stop meeting women who kept bagging at me. I never approached anyone without knowing if she is good person or not. I didn't make that approach to occur, because I didn't know! We were strangers once.


If so, why not employ different strategies that might be more effective?


I am employing lot of different strategies. Though I can't get them all working because the majority of people in their 20' aren't considering picking up these skills. I tried use these strategies with older people, like their 30s and beyond. It always worked, it is because they do understand these strategies.

There is a difference in results between the people who doesn't know these strategies to the ones who does.



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Oh great. It like a typical women wishful thinking is considering to kill myself because they don't want me? That is NOT assertive. That is pure attitude problem.

I did showed them where we are on the map and put us in the reality by looking at the buildings and street signs. They still not listening to me. That is lack of sincerity. They ignore me because of my poor social skills, as an excuse.

People denying on their intelligence is ridiculously aggressive behaviour. They are 21 year olds. They have not learn effective communication strategies. That why I observe so many rebound relationships and women get hurt of themselves its because of poor communication. Not listening to people.

I don't have a problem. If you see me aggressive, you are actually being aggressive by judging your long continuous attacking posts saying I did everything is wrong. That how I am being mistreated.


I never said you were aggressive - I said you were presumptive, judgmental and obnoxious.

Did the girls ASK for your help or did you THRUST your help upon them?

If they DECLINED you offer of help, did you accept it and move on?

Or did you INSIST you knew where you were and KEEP INSISTING you were right when they wanted nothing to do with you?

The latter, yes?

That's you not respecting boundaries. That's you FAILING to communicate. THEY DID NOT WANT YOUR HELP AND YOU KEPT GIVING IT TO THEM ANYWAYS.

You are a 25 yo virgin who has never been on a date and has no friends. That's a TON of evidence suggesting your social skills aren't nearly as good as you think they are. You're failing to get a life dude!


I think you should stop posting on this forum.


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LKL: There are way too many women drinks and they make fool of themselves when drinking. I met heeps of them at uni and in many towns I lived. They get drunk and that. I am not sure its a 20s something kind of thing. I am very certain why I am a late bloomer its because of their delays of understanding what life is about. It not all about alcoholism and party for wrong things. Its too hard for me to communicate with a 'drinking' girlfriend because I have struggles communicating with my family when they are drinking. They aren't drunk, but communicating is so extremely hard. I couldn't understand them at all. Plus the noise, yelling I mean, and the smell makes me feel sick.

I asked few friends here if they know or understand 'communication strategies'. Unfortunately they told me they do not know what they are! I got a surprised a little because I thought I am behind than everyone else in terms of understanding skills, challenges, adaptations, strategies and that at my age. Though I am not professional at this, but I know more than them because I learned so much from attending to several counselling and psychologist sessions. I find this is rather shocking to be honest. That why I couldn't stop meeting women who kept bagging at me. I never approached anyone without knowing if she is good person or not. I didn't make that approach to occur, because I didn't know! We were strangers once.


If so, why not employ different strategies that might be more effective?


I am employing lot of different strategies. Though I can't get them all working because the majority of people in their 20' aren't considering picking up these skills. I tried use these strategies with older people, like their 30s and beyond. It always worked, it is because they do understand these strategies.

There is a difference in results between the people who doesn't know these strategies to the ones who does.


Honestly, I just think that I got too much too quickly at one point in my life. Right now I am unemployed, although my wife is currently working for us both, and I just stay at home all day and play video games and go on WP. Now that I am done with school I kind of feel meaningless and empty.

Communication skills and strategies are something I really need to work on too however, as I don't know long my relationship will really last. :roll:


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If you learn about these skills and strategies. You will know your relationship will last longer than you expected. It is worthful to learn and adapt.

It is sad seeing many people don't use nor consider these skills. Just makes me chill.



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03 Jan 2016, 12:44 am

My wife and I got into a large argument last night. I was supposed to look for work, but instead squandered all my time playing Fallout 4. In retrospect, I kind of regret being so idiotic sometimes.


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I had many situations women deny my intelligence of mapping the streets. Like in Ho Chi Minh City last month there were three girls with the field trip team walking back to the hotel from the city sights. They told me they got lost and used the map. I tried to tell them many times that we are not lost, by remembering the street's names and visual sites like that building is the place we walked past before, and I remembered that tree. They kept denying me and looking at the map consistently ignoring me. Then I ended up crossing a busy motorbike ridden busy one way street. Then they followed me. Then we got to the hotel, they got shut up.


Hey, for the typical woman or the typical neurotypical it is simply incredible how many details many Aspies can remember. So it is normal they did not believe that you were sure. Next time they will know better and trust you more.