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26 Apr 2016, 1:40 pm

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You've just proved my point. Women want to be loved, they want affectio. When htey meet a tirade like that they will walk away.


Yes, by men with deep pockets only......

I am arguing love or romance is merely a masquerade for purely socio economic reasoning and rationale.


You're deluded. This is just PUA crap. Yes there are shallow women on the planet, as there are shallow men. But not all humans are like that. Love isn't a cover for socio-economic exchanges. People actually do care about each other and have feelings. I'm sorryt that you can't see that or that you can't feel it, but you are wrong.


Is it? Am I really deluded? They've done testing with women themselves amongst huge numbers where almost seventy percent say they won't date or have anything to do with men that make less money than they do. Illustrate that discrepancy for me. Is that a PUA conspiracy on the part of statisticians? Well, is it?


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26 Apr 2016, 1:51 pm

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If dating doesn't sound good to you, then don't, simple as that. Do what you're comfortable with. Just thought you should know that dating isn't nearly as terrifying as it sounds. Again if you're doing it right in my opinion it should feel pretty comfortable after initial contact.


At least it is pretty worthless if you don't want the girl to judge you on socio-economic factors, or pure conversation skills. I don't think I'll ever be comfortable with the idea that relationships are about matching interests or socio-economics. I don't want to be in a relationship that is based on such principles.


Wat? I have no idea what spawned that. Do you have some strict definition of what dating means? To me it's just a word that means you're in a relationship with someone and has nothing to do with the dynamic of the relationship.



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26 Apr 2016, 1:56 pm

Confirmation bias on your part is what that is. One study that a random person quotes, no, alludes to, on an Internet forum is not an absolute truth.

I know real human women. They don't all want jewellery and BMWs and fancy holidays. They just want someone intelligent and compatible to share their life with. Someone they can talk to on the same intellectual level whom they feel comfortable with. And they can't find that.

I have friends and family in relationships where the woman earns more than the man. These are real people.



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26 Apr 2016, 1:59 pm

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Confirmation bias on your part is what that is. One study that a random person quotes, no, alludes to, on an Internet forum is not an absolute truth.

I know real human women. They don't all want jewellery and BMWs and fancy holidays. They just want someone intelligent and compatible to share their life with. Someone they can talk to on the same intellectual level whom they feel comfortable with. And they can't find that.

I have friends and family in relationships where the woman earns more than the man. These are real people.


Oh, I get it, because the statistical public analysis or testing says things we don't like it's just best to deny it altogether. Bravo, well done. No bias there, nope not a single iota.


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26 Apr 2016, 2:01 pm

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Confirmation bias on your part is what that is. One study that a random person quotes, no, alludes to, on an Internet forum is not an absolute truth.

I know real human women. They don't all want jewellery and BMWs and fancy holidays. They just want someone intelligent and compatible to share their life with. Someone they can talk to on the same intellectual level whom they feel comfortable with. And they can't find that.

I have friends and family in relationships where the woman earns more than the man. These are real people.


Oh, I get it. Because the statistical analysis or testing says things we don't like it's just best to deny it altogether. Bravo.

I'd love to know what sketchy statistic you're referring to :roll:



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26 Apr 2016, 2:02 pm

No, I don't know what that study is, where it was conducted, who the participants were, what their socio-economic background was etc. How can I trust it.

I would be an idiot just to accept an allusion to a study from a stranger on the Internet.



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26 Apr 2016, 2:02 pm

Feyokien wrote:
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Confirmation bias on your part is what that is. One study that a random person quotes, no, alludes to, on an Internet forum is not an absolute truth.

I know real human women. They don't all want jewellery and BMWs and fancy holidays. They just want someone intelligent and compatible to share their life with. Someone they can talk to on the same intellectual level whom they feel comfortable with. And they can't find that.

I have friends and family in relationships where the woman earns more than the man. These are real people.


Oh, I get it. Because the statistical analysis or testing says things we don't like it's just best to deny it altogether. Bravo.

I'd love to know what sketchy statistic you're referring to :roll:


Sure, give me a minute or two.


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26 Apr 2016, 2:16 pm

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Do you have some strict definition of what dating means?


Yes, it means you are meeting a potential partner with the aim of having a conversation about interests and socio-economic status to find out if you are a good match on those parameters. Good enough? :lol:

Personally, I'd never have a conversation with a potential partner until we have decided to get together. That way, she will not know my interests or socio-economic status and cannot base her decision if she wants to be with me or not on such shallow things.



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26 Apr 2016, 2:22 pm

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Of the 925 single women surveyed, 75 percent said they’d have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4 percent of respondents asked whether they would go out with an unemployed man answered “of course.”

“Not having a job will definitely make it harder for men to date someone they don’t already know,” Irene LaCota, a spokesperson for It’s Just Lunch, said in a press release. “This is the rare area, compared to other topics we’ve done surveys on, where women’s old-fashioned beliefs about sex roles seem to apply.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/2 ... 31289.html

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On the other hand, the prospect of dating an unemployed woman was not a problem for nearly two-thirds of men. In fact, 19 percent of men said they had no reservations and 46 percent of men said they were positive they would date an unemployed woman.


http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2753-d ... women.html

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Most women still prefer to marry a man who earns more money than they do and would stay at home with their children if they could afford it, according to a survey published yesterday.

Despite years of equality campaigning and advances for women in the workplace, 64 per cent said they aspire to find a husband who brings home a larger pay packet than they do. None wanted to marry a man who earned less.

And 69 per cent said they would prefer to stay at home to look after their children if money were not an issue.

Only 19 per cent wanted their other half to be better educated than they are. Instead 62 per cent said they wanted a man to have the same level of intellect.

Thirty-one per cent thought they were better educated than their other halves, while 19 per cent thought their husbands were better educated.

The survey follows controversial research published last week by Dr Catherine Hakim of the London School of Economics, which claimed more women are choosing to ‘marry up’ by picking wealthy men for their spouse than in the 1940s. In her report, published by the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, she said men dominate the top positions because women do not want careers in business.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... ldren.html



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26 Apr 2016, 3:26 pm

Dying alone is a really scary though. It's kind of a catch 22 :(



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26 Apr 2016, 4:13 pm

The Daily Mail?! It burns, it burns! It's like the UK equivalent of Fox News.

Other than that, I'm only playing devil's advocate. I know most women are probably set in rigid gender expectations. There's the quirky people like me who had hippy parents who don't care. I'm really arguing not all women are like that, so don't write off real affection because of how a few shallow people behave.

Here's a thing about statistics. Maybe work out what a large number of women there actually are in what looks like a small percentage rather than focusing on that larger percent. How many thousands does that actually mean may be just what you're looking for?
http://www.cracked.com/article_20318_the-5-most-popular-ways-statistics-are-used-to-lie-to-you.html



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26 Apr 2016, 5:58 pm

What does it matter if not all women are like that if there isn't enough of them for all the men not like that. Knowing there's a lot of coupled or married women who don't care about w guys income is hardly helpful.

Jump into that tank. There's 10 sharks but don't worry 2 of them don't eat people.



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26 Apr 2016, 6:04 pm

Read the cracked link about statistics. There's a higher number than 2. You're not doing the maths.

Women are not sharks. They won't actually eat you.

Ignore the people who don't show an interest and look for the compatible ones. Stop focusing on the negative. It's like panning for gold. Sieve out the soil.



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26 Apr 2016, 6:29 pm

Do you really want a woman who puts a lot of emphasis on money, assets, and status? Ladies,how about a man with the same emphasis on physical beauty? All those surveys really prove is that human logic is still governed by primal instincts, and that stands for men and women. Even after thousands of years of evolution. Folks like us need to find people who have advanced past that stuff. The simple reality is, those things may be here today, but may well be gone tomorrow, and folks at a higher level of being don't walk away.


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26 Apr 2016, 6:32 pm

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Read the cracked link about statistics. There's a higher number than 2. You're not doing the maths.

Women are not sharks. They won't actually eat you.

Ignore the people who don't show an interest and look for the compatible ones. Stop focusing on the negative. It's like panning for gold. Sieve out the soil.

Yes I know I was simpfiying it. Whether it's 20/30/40% it still means more men then women willing to date them.

See the problem is no women show interest in me except thos who aren't compatible. And the ones who are compatible see me as worthless because I don't make enough etc.

No on I find attractive is low enough for me and I won't fake love to someone I find unattractive and won't kiss or touch. You're so very lucky to be born in Europe. The USA is horrible.

Considering just going to Japan, I was reading they have a higher spice rate and death by jumping in front of s bullet trian is common use. Makes sense it's be instantaneous. No pain just one second alive next free. Plus Japan is a beau and peaceful place to die.



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26 Apr 2016, 6:35 pm

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Do you really want a woman who puts a lot of emphasis on money, assets, and status? Ladies,how about a man with the same emphasis on physical beauty? All those surveys really prove is that human logic is still governed by primal instincts, and that stands for men and women. Even after thousands of years of evolution. Folks like us need to find people who have advanced past that stuff. The simple reality is, those things may be here today, but may well be gone tomorrow, and folks at a higher level of being don't walk away.


No not any,or then I want a doctor who's in it for money, a teacher who is liberal biased. Or a car that is old. But don't have any choice. There's not enou women who e advanced sadly :( not that most guys have either but Economy forced it not many guys. No ones poor by choice no one!! !!