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30 Apr 2007, 2:23 pm

calandale wrote:
Hell, I say ban marriage
altogether.

That would be the best solution.
As for polygamy/polyamory, I have no problem with it for other people, but I don't think it would work for me.



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30 Apr 2007, 3:54 pm

I saw a show about some guy in Australia who's got his own harem (all his women are willingly with him, and seem very okay with the polygamy concept), and they're nomadic, just wandering around the countryside and having sex. His wives select which one of them, um, "needs" him the most each particular night. One of them said they'll often tell him, about one of them, "She hasn't had a go in a while..." He was this fat bearded old fart too -- shows anyone can do it.

When asked why they all love him, despite having to exist as a crowd, they said it was his charisma and personality (and perhaps animal magnetism?) that attracts them.

(Who're they kidding -- any guy who's with another woman is tempting to them, as being "forbidden fruit".)

Crazy.


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30 Apr 2007, 11:19 pm

That does sound crazy. But Manson's 'family' was
kind of like that too. They were all devoted to him.

I can't see being interested in something that one
sided. But, hey whatever.



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01 May 2007, 9:19 am

My question is, if you're a hexagamous male, and for whatever reason you want out, do you then have to get a divorce-divorce-divorce-divorce-divorce-divorce? Or, what if all six of your wives decide they want to divorce you (say, because they heard about your divorce plans), when they took you to divorce court, would the court later consider you divorced six times or just once? Imagine the alamony and child support, if you had children by all six!

But what I'm most curious about is, how do standard marital arguments go in a family of seven spouses? Can the guy really argue with six angry women at once? (Bonus question: Who wants to see him try?)


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01 May 2007, 10:03 am

i could do polyamory... but there should be even numbers of sexes (no polygamy) so that no one feels left out!! ! (i don't have the attention span (or is that orifices????) to do +1 sexual partners justice!)

but i don't think marriage should apply to it, as i think that is something for two people... but marriage is bunked anyway.... bleh


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01 May 2007, 10:07 am

An Open Relationship/Marriage is where both or one can have intimate relations with other people, but it's only for sex, Polyamory is about several people having intimate relations with each other, big differance.

No I do not have a problem with it, yes I might be able to let my Girlfriend have a female lover or lovers (I can imagine it but I've never actually been in that type of situation), but I really don't think I would be comfortable with her having another guy (Or animal for that matter).


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01 May 2007, 8:42 pm

Ragtime wrote:
My question is, if you're a hexagamous male, and for whatever reason you want out, do you then have to get a divorce-divorce-divorce-divorce-divorce-divorce? Or, what if all six of your wives decide they want to divorce you (say, because they heard about your divorce plans), when they took you to divorce court, would the court later consider you divorced six times or just once? Imagine the alamony and child support, if you had children by all six!


Which is why marriage should stop being a state
function. Maybe that's where I'm going with all
of this. Instead of allowing homosexual marriage,
and letting the state get involved in these kinds
of moral questions, the whole issue should probably
just be dropped. It's outlived its purpose in an era
where it is no longer a permanent situation.



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01 May 2007, 10:21 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
An Open Relationship/Marriage is where both or one can have intimate relations with other people, but it's only for sex, Polyamory is about several people having intimate relations with each other, big differance.

No I do not have a problem with it, yes I might be able to let my Girlfriend have a female lover or lovers (I can imagine it but I've never actually been in that type of situation), but I really don't think I would be comfortable with her having another guy (Or animal for that matter).


i know.... but you do have to be happy on all levels


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01 May 2007, 10:54 pm

Sedaka wrote:
i know.... but you do have to be happy on all levels


Everyone involved has to be.



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01 May 2007, 11:20 pm

calandale wrote:
Which is why marriage should stop being a state
function. Maybe that's where I'm going with all
of this. Instead of allowing homosexual marriage,
and letting the state get involved in these kinds
of moral questions, the whole issue should probably
just be dropped. It's outlived its purpose in an era
where it is no longer a permanent situation.


Marriage was not under the control of the state until quite recently. It had not even been under the complete control of churches, hence "common law marriage" -- in some jurisdictions, if you live with someone as if you were married, agree between you that you're married, and represent yourselves as married, you are. There's still one US state, I forget which now -- one of the Carolinas, maybe? -- where you can become married after as little as 1 month of cohabitation. That, sometimes with some bells and whistles, was the origin of marriage.

The church tried to get control over it, but didn't manage to do so completely. The state came into play very late -- in the English-speaking world, this happened with Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 -- but the act was never in effect in the US or Australia, and it's no longer the law in Canada, all of which still allow common-law marriage under some circumstances.

I think that this new-fangled attempt at government control of marriage has also gone wrong, and we might as well go back to the original form, insofar as possible. Let people marry who they want, and however often they want. I think that keeping polygamous/polyandrous/etc. marriages afloat would be very challenging, but that's no excuse for illegalizing it, or, with a 50% failure rate, we'd also be compelled to illegalize monogamy.



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01 May 2007, 11:27 pm

i don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but polygamy and polyamory are two COMPLETELY different concepts.



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01 May 2007, 11:35 pm

48fugues wrote:
i don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but polygamy and polyamory are two COMPLETELY different concepts.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding polyamory. I was under the impression that it
was group marriage. It's a relatively recent term to me.



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02 May 2007, 12:03 am

calandale wrote:
48fugues wrote:
i don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but polygamy and polyamory are two COMPLETELY different concepts.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding polyamory. I was under the impression that it
was group marriage. It's a relatively recent term to me.


deep respetful relationship... yes

i just think marriage should be reserved for two people.... though i do think multiple people can care for each other just as much...


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02 May 2007, 11:30 am

calandale wrote:
48fugues wrote:
i don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but polygamy and polyamory are two COMPLETELY different concepts.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding polyamory. I was under the impression that it
was group marriage. It's a relatively recent term to me.


polygamy is the group marriage, typically one man with several wives. (i have yet to see one woman with several husbands, but let's be honest... what woman in her right mind would do that to herself? :P )


polyamory is being in love with several people at once, and engaging in relationships with them. it is the exact opposite of monogamy.



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02 May 2007, 12:08 pm

More than one wife?

I personally don't play well with others...I have "sharing" issues. :D

More than one husband?

Are you kidding me?

...just think, you may get "variety" but you also get DOUBLE the inlaws...THAT could be a real blast.

polyamory...I'm sure my ex would cast his vote for that one. :roll:


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02 May 2007, 12:22 pm

Reminds me of the old joke... one guy says, "I'm thinking of marrying two women."

Second guy says, "That would be bigamy!"

First guy says, "I know... it would be mighty big o' me!"