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kraftiekortie
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08 Oct 2016, 12:18 pm

It was directed at me only.

Sometimes, people just need a "focus" of their ire.

But I wish him well.



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08 Oct 2016, 1:58 pm

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The fact of the matter is that children cannot legally consent until they are adults, and quite frankly I believe that autistic people can assent but usually don't know what they're consenting to because there's all these random bs rules and ideas that takes them a lot longer to process. Not that we're slow, but that we compute things differently and more deeply.

Legally mentally disabled people cannot consent. They can assent but not consent.

I really believe autistic people take a lot longer to learn what consent is, what sex means, what intimacy and emotions mean, what people's agendas and hidden intentions mean, what the culture means and says versus what is good internally, what the law means, etc.


It seems like your unsupportive family and the way you grew up is at least as much of a reason for why other people could exploit you as your autism. People with low self-esteem and lonely people are often more prone to letting others take advantage of them even if they are NT.

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I didn't consent to any of this, and I didn't consent to people who can sleep with someone and breakup. They would pretend to be people who feel love and suffered from unfair treatment but I found I just fell for a lot of bs and took the blame and let people push and blend my boundaries when later it is clear they didn't value them.

NTs learn pretty quick not to let this happen. I let it happen over, and over, and trusted and had faith and believed.


If you didn't understand that some people break up with people they slept with that's because of your autism. Yet many NTs also think they found true love when the other person just wants sex and lies to them. It's something that happens more easily to many autistic people than to your average NT but there are NTs to whom it happens several times too. Most NTs learn pretty quick not to let this happen but some also let it happen again and again. NTs can be naive too, they can be desperate and they can be lonely.
It's not something that only happens to autistic people and not all (albeit many) autistic people are at a much higher risk of this happening to them than NTs.



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08 Oct 2016, 2:53 pm

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Legally mentally disabled people cannot consent. They can assent but not consent.


This is just not true. You are far from legally being incapable of consent such as non-compos mentis. Mental disability isn't on is own enough to remove the ability to consent. Many people wouldn't take kindly to that suggestion.

Even a relationship not being what is seems doesn't negate your involvement in it.

Consent doesn't work retrospectively. You can't decide now you didn't consent. You either consented at the time or you didn't.

If you are able to reason at this level, then you are more than capable of consenting, unless you were in a mental state that made you incapable of consenting at the time such as psychosis. However you are not talking about a specific incident as far as I can see.

Also, contrary to popular belief mental impairment is not the same as inability as far as consent is concerned. You can still have a degree of impaired judgment, and still be deemed legally be able consent. people make bad choices all the time.

It is also not clear who exactly would be culpable for your perceived lack of consent. For them to violate you lack of consent, they would have to understand that you are not of sound mind and incapable. From a legal point of view you have acted sanely and you can understand what is happening.

I know you are blowing off steam but there is nothing here that indicates anything that is illegal.

Who really understands relationships? If that that was a factor in consent the law would be too subjective to be just.



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08 Oct 2016, 6:08 pm

Okay well quite frankly we live in a rape culture in America. You can rape people by deception, you can prostitute yourself and call it "dating". I don't think just because your culture says it's okay that it makes it okay. God has long sentenced these kinds of acts to death.

And being autistic in a rape culture isn't going to be of any help.



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08 Oct 2016, 6:11 pm

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Legally mentally disabled people cannot consent. They can assent but not consent.


This is just not true. You are far from legally being incapable of consent such as non-compos mentis. Mental disability isn't on is own enough to remove the ability to consent. Many people wouldn't take kindly to that suggestion.


It is very well known that a lot of mentally disabled people cannot consent to sex. To sit around here like every other growing narcissistic idiot in this world suggesting that because I didn't specifically outline what types of mental disabilities or whether I meant all or just some because I didn't specify "all" or "some" to go on ahead and self-appoint yourself to rudely not merely consider but completely assume I meant "all" is a philosophical cancer.

I will not be responding to it.



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08 Oct 2016, 9:12 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It was directed at me only.

Sometimes, people just need a "focus" of their ire.

But I wish him well.


No. This country has become a bunch of sheep educating each other to endure the abuse and to do nothing. You telling someone to "move on" is telling people to "give up" under the guise of encouragement.



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08 Oct 2016, 9:48 pm

I don't endure abuse. If you don't learn from it, you will continue to endure abuse.

This is an agree to disagree situation. No need to insult.



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08 Oct 2016, 9:50 pm

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I don't endure abuse. If you don't learn from it, you will continue to endure abuse.

This is an agree to disagree situation. No need to insult.


So let me get this straight, you cruise around the Internet looking for someone saying they feel like they have lived a horribly oppressed life and abused, exploited, and enduring liars & exploiters, and you want to sit around here attacking me and telling me you're offended?

It's time to back off and hit the road you stalker. I'm done with you. I don't have to explain to you any longer about my feelings, or how absolutely offensive, rude, and disempowering you are. You literally have no respect for anything but yourself, and you're targeting victims to tell them they are inherently flawed for believing in God & Justice in order to deify yourself in the situation. I am not going to worship you, I am not going to play your sick little projection game anymore.

Get out of my freaking thread.



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08 Oct 2016, 10:03 pm

Oh brother. You insult ME.....and I'm the stalker? I didn't even have to even talk to you.

You respect me, and Ill respect you.



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08 Oct 2016, 10:08 pm

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Oh brother. You insult ME.....and I'm the stalker? I didn't even have to even talk to you.

You respect me, and Ill respect you.


Wow, no wonder people don't even use the Internet anymore. You come on here to find encouragement & advice and freaks are out there to steal your compassion telling you to "suck it up and move on".

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09 Oct 2016, 3:02 am

antago wrote:
Okay well quite frankly we live in a rape culture in America. You can rape people by deception, you can prostitute yourself and call it "dating". I don't think just because your culture says it's okay that it makes it okay. God has long sentenced these kinds of acts to death.

And being autistic in a rape culture isn't going to be of any help.


It's not even necessarily deception. Sometimes people were in love when they had sex but the relationship just didn't work. If it happened repeatedly to you chances are some of these people were lying to you and never felt anything about you but it possibly wasn't all of them. As you sometimes can't tell whether the other person genuinely loved you but still wasn't able to be in a happy relationship with you or just lied to you, it'd be a very very bad thing to count this as rape. A lot of people would be accused of rape without having done anything wrong.
If you only want to have sex with people who would marry you, you have to wait till marriage.
All right, obviously you had some misconceptions about this due to your autism but other people can not know that you perceive these things very different from most people and other people can not know that you feel this is rape (unless you told them before you had sex with them). Thus some of them mightn't have meant any harm and mightn't have been aware of how you feel about this.

Just because your culture says it's okay doesn't makes it's okay. However, just because your god says it is not okay also doesn't make it not okay. Not everyone believes in exactly what you do, you can not prove that your god/your interpretation of God is the right one and there's no reason to base law on your god.

This doesn't make it rape culture, this just makes people free to decide who they want to have sex with (if both want to have sex with each other).

If this wasn't the case:
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Consent doesn't work retrospectively. You can't decide now you didn't consent. You either consented at the time or you didn't.

You could get everyone you ever had sex with locked up for rape just because you felt like it. If you are angry with them for any reason you'd just need to claim you don't consent to the sex any more you had with them years ago. And if the other person also decides to not consent any more? Do you both go to jail then?
That'd be fair laws, huh? Much better than our "rape culture".



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09 Oct 2016, 4:16 am

antago wrote:
It is very well known that a lot of mentally disabled people cannot consent to sex. To sit around here like every other growing narcissistic idiot in this world suggesting that because I didn't specifically outline what types of mental disabilities or whether I meant all or just some because I didn't specify "all" or "some" to go on ahead and self-appoint yourself to rudely not merely consider but completely assume I meant "all" is a philosophical cancer.

I will not be responding to it.

I sorry you just don't know what you are talking about.



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09 Oct 2016, 4:30 am

antago wrote:
Okay well quite frankly we live in a rape culture in America. You can rape people by deception, you can prostitute yourself and call it "dating". I don't think just because your culture says it's okay that it makes it okay. God has long sentenced these kinds of acts to death.

And being autistic in a rape culture isn't going to be of any help.


Is is just me or is this obvious trolling? It is alright I'm game.

If someone is a cad a or pretends to be someone they are not, this doesn't fit the definition of rape, your consent is not invalidated becuase you didn't know them.

Coercion is one way a person cannot consent. However legal coercion is far more than being deceived. In fact it is not deception, but a threat.

Very little evidence suggest systematic rape culture in the west. If anything there is an anti-rape culture. Also places cited to have a rape culture such as campuses the numbers show these are much safer than in a domestic scenario.

There are people who act in a predatory manner and it is possible that in a amougst a group of similarly minded individual they can be a culture, but this is not typical behavior in a modern society.

I suggest you try an hire a lawyer. Ask them about these matter. I doubt you will get anyone to support your case and if you do most like the case would be thrown out. For one that law cannot give special treatment, you don't have right over people. bad experiences do no mean wrong doing.

It is an insult to victims of rape an sexual assault to trialise rape, becuase you don't want to take responsibility for you own choices after the fact.



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09 Oct 2016, 5:16 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:
Oh brother. You insult ME.....and I'm the stalker? I didn't even have to even talk to you.

You respect me, and Ill respect you.


Wow, no wonder people don't even use the Internet anymore. You come on here to find encouragement & advice and freaks are out there to steal your compassion telling you to "suck it up and move on".

Moderator edit: personal attack deleted.


That's is enough! You are being rude and cruel. Treating kraftie in this fashion because he has opposing opinions are not the appropriate actions. I understand you are fustrated but kraftie is not a cruel person or a freak. He has a different way of viewing the world. Even if you don't understand it do not insult it!

I am sorry for your troubles truly but to hurt others only makes you a kin to the bullies.



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09 Oct 2016, 11:04 am

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antago wrote:
Okay well quite frankly we live in a rape culture in America. You can rape people by deception, you can prostitute yourself and call it "dating". I don't think just because your culture says it's okay that it makes it okay. God has long sentenced these kinds of acts to death.

And being autistic in a rape culture isn't going to be of any help.


It's not even necessarily deception. Sometimes people were in love when they had sex but the relationship just didn't work. If it happened repeatedly to you chances are some of these people were lying to you and never felt anything about you but it possibly wasn't all of them. As you sometimes can't tell whether the other person genuinely loved you but still wasn't able to be in a happy relationship with you or just lied to you, it'd be a very very bad thing to count this as rape. A lot of people would be accused of rape without having done anything wrong.
If you only want to have sex with people who would marry you, you have to wait till marriage.
All right, obviously you had some misconceptions about this due to your autism but other people can not know that you perceive these things very different from most people and other people can not know that you feel this is rape (unless you told them before you had sex with them). Thus some of them mightn't have meant any harm and mightn't have been aware of how you feel about this.

Just because your culture says it's okay doesn't makes it's okay. However, just because your god says it is not okay also doesn't make it not okay. Not everyone believes in exactly what you do, you can not prove that your god/your interpretation of God is the right one and there's no reason to base law on your god.

This doesn't make it rape culture, this just makes people free to decide who they want to have sex with (if both want to have sex with each other).

If this wasn't the case:
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Consent doesn't work retrospectively. You can't decide now you didn't consent. You either consented at the time or you didn't.

You could get everyone you ever had sex with locked up for rape just because you felt like it. If you are angry with them for any reason you'd just need to claim you don't consent to the sex any more you had with them years ago. And if the other person also decides to not consent any more? Do you both go to jail then?
That'd be fair laws, huh? Much better than our "rape culture".


I am actually quite entitled to feel like the law should go my way, for a plethora of reasons. For 1) I built an online community when I was a kid that is a multi-million dollar empire. I should literally have the power to buy my own country if I wanted but rather the world decides that I must have a million dollars to take something documented online to court. That isn't justice, and circumstance doesn't change nature.

Americans have this view that "everything is democracy, your beliefs don't matter". No, actually, my beliefs do matter. I am also a Native American shaman, meaning in my culture that belongs to this land mass I am already a lawmaker. Same with my virtual empire that was stolen by all these money hungry ass white people running around stealing things from people and saying, "I win! You lose! Hahahahah!"

It's much bigger than this.

I spoke with Archangel Gabriel (the Holy Spirit). I am was given a divine name that essentially says that I am a King.

So, yes, my laws & rules do matter—but in a land ruled by thieves & corporations obsessed with money, well, I guess no one's opinion matters does it? No one can ever rise above even when the hand of God has chosen them.

Everything's just bubble gum & rainbows, and he said she said.

Honestly just blow my brains out if this is going to be your & everyone's attitude. I'd rather die than live this unjust life anymore.

Rape by deception is a crime. These people knew what they were doing. They wanted to sleep outside of marriage to pleasure themselves & prostitute themselves for comfort. They know damn well the consequences and have broken many hearts, but the rape culture justifies & lets them get away with it even waging war against God so everyone can eat their supersize milkshakes in peace without doing a damn thing while the rest of us divine folks are killed & told to shut up and called psycho crazy killer schizophrenic arrogant greedy delusional rebellious psychos for speaking the truth & being unhappy about it.

This is a f*****g holocaust against prophets.



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09 Oct 2016, 11:29 am

Alot of lawyers do a certain amount of pro bono work

http://www.faegrebd.com/mobile/shownews.aspx?show=25922

I hope this can bring you peace