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30 Jan 2017, 6:29 pm

I get tired of people arguing "alpha males don't naturally exist in humans!" (they don't), they probably do this because some idiots argue it does, along with other redpill/pua stuff like 20% of men get 80% of women and such leaving the bottom 80% of men to compete.

However, alpha males do exist, but not in human nature.

Its a slang term, like frat bro or yuppie, and is a good catchall word for what they are - tall, attractive, muscular, charismatic, rich (new or old money) no mental disorders pr physical disabilities, hypermasculine men with conventional and popular interests that will help them fit in, and good networking skills that will help them succeed in the workforce.

Better to say 'alpha male' than always list all of those things every time you wish to refer to them.

The reason they are 'attractive' is because they coincidentally fall in line with conventional attractiveness.

All alpha males are conventionally attractive, but not every attractive man is an alpha male, or anything close to it.

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31 Jan 2017, 1:32 am

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I think women recoil at the use of the term "alpha male" because it sounds animal and brutish.

It sounds animal and brutish yes, but people are animals and we're very brutish.

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31 Jan 2017, 1:38 am

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Alpha males exist in our closest species in nature, in the common chimps, gorillas, and even in the matriarchal bonobos (picked by the alpha female).

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31 Jan 2017, 1:47 am

I think the reason why most men see this and most women don't is the idealization of love in the media. Most of romantic media is targeted at women. And a lot of silly idealistic love stereotypes come from romantic stories.

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31 Jan 2017, 2:28 am

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In the media world, I think there are countless of examples of obsessive collective female fandom (teens), even adult women over a male celeb, we see fans of all-females almost tear their clothes, pull their own hair, scream, cry and even faint for some male celeb (remember the Beatles, and now there's Bieber), we rarely see a group of male teens exhibit a such.... behavior for a female celeb. Males act crazy collectively for sports though, it's a male thing but unlike the female fandom of celebs, it is not about a collective sexual attraction toward...some alpha.
I bet that teens act by instinct more than adults.

The reality of alpha male is staring just in our faces, but as hurtloam is saying, women deny the whole concept because it makes them look bad.

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31 Jan 2017, 2:41 am

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I bet that teens act by instinct more than adults.

Yes, they don't have to adjust their idea of an ideal partner for reality. It gives good insight into what people really desire but don't admit. Luckily, most adults sooner or later recognize that a real person if better than a non-existing fantasy.

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31 Jan 2017, 3:07 am

There is...

no such...

thing as...

a hunk...

celebrity male...

who is considered...

very attractive by a very high number of teenage girls and adult women to the point they go CRAZY for them.

The last one is from the modern tv show version of Teen Wolf,. In my experiences plenty of Australian teen girls go crazy for the teen wolf cast.

I'm pretty sure out of all the 'smart like A, strong like B, caring like C, yep I'm gonna die alone' memes, teen wolf is the most common one.

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31 Jan 2017, 4:01 am

^ The crazy group-female fandom (toward a male celeb, it's always toward a male celeb) is something cross-cultural.

In Egypt for instance, there are girls who committed suicide at the funeral of a singer/actor who was very popular among girls there.

and here another modern example in UAE:

^^ :lol: check the close slip of tongue at 1:56, "everybody is cra-"

It's not a western thing, it's instinct.

and I don't really think it's a matter of 'just attractive'.

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31 Jan 2017, 7:25 am

hurtloam wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

hurtloam wrote:

A tall, handsome, not fat guy yes. A man who grunts out his vocabulary and thinks women are beneath him, no.

It's the bold part where it starts and ends for the fat guys, the fat guy would have much less chance to prove his vocabulary of what he thinks.

Yes. So? She wants a good looking man she's attracted to with a good vocabulary, not a fat one. Doesn't matter what the fat one says, he's not attractive... Ideally.
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But in the experiment of the video, no man said a word.

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31 Jan 2017, 8:15 am

So what is the difference between alpha and attractive people?

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31 Jan 2017, 8:56 am

314pe wrote:

So what is the difference between alpha and attractive people?

attractive to me can just mean appearance or something else observed, alpha to me implies some sort of dominance and power

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31 Jan 2017, 9:08 am

hurtloam wrote:

I think women recoil at the use of the term "alpha male" because it sounds animal and brutish.

That's not what a woman in the21st century wants.

A tall, handsome, not fat guy yes. A man who grunts out his vocabulary and thinks women are beneath him, no.

I think fat guys are cute

More to love!! !

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31 Jan 2017, 9:33 am

314pe wrote:

So what is the difference between alpha and attractive people?

It takes more than looks for a man to be conventionally attractive.

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31 Jan 2017, 3:19 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

hurtloam wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

hurtloam wrote:

A tall, handsome, not fat guy yes. A man who grunts out his vocabulary and thinks women are beneath him, no.

It's the bold part where it starts and ends for the fat guys, the fat guy would have much less chance to prove his vocabulary of what he thinks.

Yes. So? She wants a good looking man she's attracted to with a good vocabulary, not a fat one. Doesn't matter what the fat one says, he's not attractive... Ideally.
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But in the experiment of the video, no man said a word.

You are so hard to debate with. You just go round in circles. I'm going to just assume I misunderstood what your first point was. Nevermind.

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31 Jan 2017, 3:20 pm

Jacoby wrote:

314pe wrote:

So what is the difference between alpha and attractive people?

attractive to me can just mean appearance or something else observed, alpha to me implies some sort of dominance and power

Thank you Jacoby. You've summed up what I really meant, but explained badly.

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