a frustration: unrealistic male friends

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Speaking as a girl, I hope your friends will continue to be so brave. In the past I have had secret crushes on guys who are generally considered to be quirky/dorky looking, thought that they didn't like me back, and found out months later that they wanted to ask me out but thought I was "out of their league".

Of course, I kind of get the impression that you think your friends are going after pretty girls solely because of the girls' looks, rather than going after great girls who happen to be beautiful. That's not the best idea in the world, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

As for the unwelcomed advances, I think time lends a bit of wisdom to guys who come on too strong to girls who really are uninterested. I never had any luck trying to help out clueless friends of either sex.

What's with the "goals" thing? I've seen girls put that on dating sites. I don't have any (that I know of), and don't know why I'd want one. I'm not crazy about people who have to rush all over the place

I really think this is a personal preference. As for me, I can't stand guys who always want to talk about how many push-ups and pay raises they're working toward. They seem to think this is impressive, however, so there must indeed be a lot of girls who find that kind of bragging and type A go-getting to be attractive. But I'm sure not one of them.

Why don't you make the first move then?

I'm not trying to give you piss here,
but you sound as though you might
have more guts than this geek.

i know people like that , they have what is called "double standard " or better term "hypocrisy" , they want the other side to overlook their average looks and their own physical turn-offs (ie: weight , height ...) and see only the "inner beauty" them while in return they only have interest in gorgeous people with perfect physical attributes.

btw few people are accusing the thread poster of being jealous ...i think this is a lame accusation , he is just being logical and he knows his own friends better than us and know what they went through before because of their unrealistic preferences.

I myself witnessed that case , a average-looking friend (he's very tall but skinny and average looks) of mine who only want girls to see hims as good personality and he had a crash with the most gorgeous girl at university (who is ALWAYS walking with a muscled macho guys) and he wanted to talk to her so badly . He did it in the end of the year ..and he was shot down in the first 1 minute conversation with her.

I told him that he must look for other types of women and maybe lower his standards a little bit and get away from "popular gorgeous girls" ...but he did the same mistake with the second most gorgeous/popular girl....

I had a friend who was excactly like that.
I knew that the girls he was trying to get with wer waaaay out of his league.
Even for me a much better looking guy than him, i knew they were out of mine.
But he kept trying to get with them and would be like all over them.
The women in question clearly showed no interest and were always trying to avoid him.
He'd ask for theyr phonenumber but they'd find some excuse to not give it nicely.
However it was always blatantly obvious to me, but he somehow never seemed to get a clue.

For this guy i however have good hope.
He is looking 24/7 and never gives up.
Besides the great looking women he has no chance with he also goes for less good looking ones.
So i assume he wil find one soon.

Well some people consider "tall and skinny" and attractive trait for a man

(I do)...I am more attracted to scawny men, as I find men who are bulky and muscular or strong looking intimidating. This has less to do with physical attraction, and more to do with things that have happened in the past...but my point is, tall and skinny is not always an unattractive trait, I know many girls who will describe a very muscular guy as "gross" looking

I read some recent study in a newspaper about the verry opposite.
Some ape here had escaped from a zoo and atacked a female visitor.
She used to come every day and smile to the gorilla, the gorilla would smile back with his teeth.
Any idiot would realize that he wasn't smiling back but threatening her.
So one day he got fed up and kicked her ass for messing with him.

So aniway there was this study that said many women were intrigued by man apes.
Because they were so muscular and strong.

It's rather hypocritical to go for the looks, while expecting that your personality will get you the girl.

And vice versa

I'm looking for both, and sadly,
only have looks going for me.

I have had a guy asking me to be his girlfriend for weeks now. I told him I wasn't interested on teh second time out. I only ever see him in crowded places in afternoons and we do talk about the interests we share. When I realized he still liked me too much in the wrong way, I started to make sure I dressed in really awful clothes, I wore no make up, no perfume or jewellery whatsoever and still said that I was not looking for a date. He still hasn't go it. I have now had to write to him and explain it in very simple language as best I can.

Not only did I not fancy him in any romantic kind of way, but he smells a bit and his clothes smell like he lives in a dirty house. He is also just not intelligent enough in the right kind of way, its like he reads something and just repeats it back without ever thinking deeply about the meaning of it.

Its really hard to know what to do now.

I agree with others though that looks are important to many people, for me though, the brain has to be used to think not just to record information and throw it back at me, if I wanted this, I could go and read a book or a paper.

I have never been romantic anyway.

yes, there is much more to attraction than looks.
and dont believe that sense of humour and intelligence BS either.

women want cash and a big cock.

That sounds very unlike the women I know.

why can't we have it all???

but for the most part what you said is crap.

yes, i know 'cause i am very good looking have lots of money and have a large penis.
I still don't get any sex: i'm working on my sense of humour at the moment. I think it's holding me back

with your money and could pay for sex. and get to use that large penis of yours.