But it’s all about personality >.>
Its because he perceives EVERY woman as.not liking him, which makes him feel inadequete for their standards, undesirable and worsens his already low self esteem.
Unfortunately it may be correct that the majority of women would percieve him as unattractive.
Many here have agreed this is likely the case.
You yourself say most women want a man with a decent job, car and ambition.
Sly considers his job inadequate for.most women, does not own a car and considers himself unambitious.
"Then self improve!"
Yeah yeah yeah.
But, he should only do things for.himself correct?
Well he has said already the job he has now is the best he could get after years of searching, and owning a car was too much money for him.
He complains because he needs to vent/let off some steam.
He also, due to.his low self esteem feels unable to improve his situation.
Depression does.that to a person.
Complaining is natural and human. Everyone does it..If a person doesn't complain about something online then theybdp it to family/friends or themselves.
A lot of people complain on the internet nowadays because their family and friends wouldn't want to hear it.
It's.not against the rules so its perfectly allowed on this website.
I know exactly what you mean. Ambition without intelligence or common sense is not attractive. Like someone who blows $100,000 on something stupid like a fish tank decorating business.
This is why “poor students” get girlfriends. They want to improve themselves and are making the steps to achieve it.
If you think you’re not good at anything, you haven’t tried enough things. If you’re happy being mediocre or worse, it’s going to be a lot harder to find someone than if you want to and are trying to improve and grow.
It’s an attitude thing. I’m going on a set diet plan starting from next week, and am searching for opportunities to make money. Had some decent success, but I like to think outside the box.
Most people are mediocre, lol. The only people who care about "ambition" are smarmy elitists. Around here most folks are working class and don't give two s**ts how ambitious you are; have a 9-5 job, be decently attractive and fun to be around, be dependable, that's all they want.
My "ambitions" lie in my hobbies, not career paths. A job is nothing more to me than a means to an end. The things I want to do require money, but they don't make money.
I guess I’m a smarmy elitist then. Is that what working class people think? It’s not very fair.
Different demons. I wonder why people moan about a girlfriend and don’t care about improving. They probably wonder why I moan about business and don’t care about boyfriends.
It is.... unusual for a woman to be so obsessed with business and financial success. Maybe I have too much testosterone. Maybe I use business success to make up for failing socially. Who knows.
Being treated like dirt by upper-middle class snobs isn't fair either. Not everyone can be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, or some prestigious professor of exciting new fields in science. The idea of "improvement" being purely career-wise is a very limited viewpoint, and plenty of men do just fine with ordinary jobs.
The woman in Sly's first post is making a pretty reasonable request; regular job and license is standard. If you're so broke you can't do anything at all that's usually not going to be acceptable.
I don’t think most women are like that, though. Gold diggers are a small % of women.
They like the sort of person who ends up getting a decent job and a car, a go getter who wants to do something with his life and has a drive to be independent. It’s not the same as gold digging, where they only date a person for material possessions.
If you just got a car and a house and didn’t change your attitude, you’d probably attract gold diggers and the relationship wouldn’t last anyway.
How is it different than gold digging?
I propose a new slang term to take hold
- Ambition Digging!
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I don’t think most women are like that, though. Gold diggers are a small % of women.
They like the sort of person who ends up getting a decent job and a car, a go getter who wants to do something with his life and has a drive to be independent. It’s not the same as gold digging, where they only date a person for material possessions.
If you just got a car and a house and didn’t change your attitude, you’d probably attract gold diggers and the relationship wouldn’t last anyway.
How is it different than gold digging?
I don’t think you get it. It just so happens, a lot of women like the personality traits of men who want and seek success. They’re not dating them for material possessions. But the people they like tend to end up with them because it’s their personality type.
Gold diggers on the other hand date someone solely for material possessions, they don’t actually like the person they dating.
I’m only telling him to self improve because he’s constantly complaining about how much better off he would be if he had these things. (He wouldn’t be ).
If he doesn’t want to change, that’s cool. Just accept it’s going to be harder, and stop shifting the blame.
Men and women aren’t the same. Women might like ambition in general, men like looks in general.
You don’t see me moaning about how men don’t want to date me because I am chubby and ugly and moaning that I shouldn’t have to change. I can either try to do something about it, or accept reality.
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Gold diggers typically don't want to work and intend to live off their partner's finances, regardless of their level of attraction to the partner. I think that's the distinction.
There's a big difference between wanting a man with a job, ambition, a car, etc. when the woman herself offers all of those things, too. And at the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with people being honest about what they're looking for. If you don't like the criteria or fulfil it, you're not a match for them anyway so it becomes irrelevant. If you find their criteria distasteful, even more so.
That said, I don't get that s**t at all. Your attraction should be to the person, tying it to changeable factors like jobs/looks/finance/whatever seems backwards.
Is it really ambition people like though, or ambition so.long as it leads to success?
I wonder if Connor McGregor's girlfriend who supported him financially while he trained to be a good boxer in the gym daily would have continued to support him financially forever even if he failed at his dream...
Those aren't the only options though. I'm sure there are plenty of people who start out with ambitions, retire those ambitions or modify them as time goes on, and still keep their partner. Ambition wouldn't be the sole attractive trait, in those cases, and besides, people adapt to change.
Just look at how many people have normal boring lives with wives and kids and things. They must have dreamed bigger than that at one time. Still it's an archetype of happiness.
(I would rather die lol)
But it is.
Most people aren’t gold diggers. He is seeing the world through poo tinted glasses so he can blame women for not liking him because they’re awful people, can’t see any reason why women would like someone for any other reason than their house or car. He needs to grow up.
There's a big difference between wanting a man with a job, ambition, a car, etc. when the woman herself offers all of those things, too. And at the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with people being honest about what they're looking for. If you don't like the criteria or fulfil it, you're not a match for them anyway so it becomes irrelevant. If you find their criteria distasteful, even more so.
That said, I don't get that s**t at all. Your attraction should be to the person, tying it to changeable factors like jobs/looks/finance/whatever seems backwards.
:thumbsup:
I'm proud of my mother for sticking with my step dad everytime he was unemployed.
There's a big difference between wanting a man with a job, ambition, a car, etc. when the woman herself offers all of those things, too. And at the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with people being honest about what they're looking for. If you don't like the criteria or fulfil it, you're not a match for them anyway so it becomes irrelevant. If you find their criteria distasteful, even more so.
That said, I don't get that s**t at all. Your attraction should be to the person, tying it to changeable factors like jobs/looks/finance/whatever seems backwards.
:thumbsup:
I'm proud of my mother for sticking with my step dad everytime he was unemployed.
Why? That’s what any decent person would do, and normal for people in loving relationships.
I don’t think most women are like that, though. Gold diggers are a small % of women.
They like the sort of person who ends up getting a decent job and a car, a go getter who wants to do something with his life and has a drive to be independent. It’s not the same as gold digging, where they only date a person for material possessions.
If you just got a car and a house and didn’t change your attitude, you’d probably attract gold diggers and the relationship wouldn’t last anyway.
How is it different than gold digging?
I don’t think you get it. It just so happens, a lot of women like the personality traits of men who want and seek success. They’re not dating them for material possessions. But the people they like tend to end up with them because it’s their personality type.
Gold diggers on the other hand date someone solely for material possessions, they don’t actually like the person they dating.
No I get it. It's like why I don't date fat women, it's not because they're fat, it's because they are losers.
I'll take that as a "yes".
You have already argued in this thread that women care far more about an ambitious man who has dreams and desires he works toward more than materialistic items or the success in itself.
Now it seems you're.moving the goalposts.
A car is a materialistic item.
Will a man with a high paying job who works hard, saves up and buys a car be more desirable than a man with a low paying job who works even harder, saves even better but can't afford the car anyway still?
Why/why not.
Most people aren’t gold diggers. He is seeing the world through poo tinted glasses so he can blame women for not liking him because they’re awful people, can’t see any reason why women would like someone for any other reason than their house or car. He needs to grow up.
(Maybe but allowing for a little autistic leeway)
Interpersonal relationships are hard to understand from the outside.
The rules of attraction confuse me, too, as an observer. Easier to see the solid, physical factors like houses or cars than it is to appreciate the emotional nuances that brought each pair together.
I don’t think most women are like that, though. Gold diggers are a small % of women.
They like the sort of person who ends up getting a decent job and a car, a go getter who wants to do something with his life and has a drive to be independent. It’s not the same as gold digging, where they only date a person for material possessions.
If you just got a car and a house and didn’t change your attitude, you’d probably attract gold diggers and the relationship wouldn’t last anyway.
How is it different than gold digging?
I don’t think you get it. It just so happens, a lot of women like the personality traits of men who want and seek success. They’re not dating them for material possessions. But the people they like tend to end up with them because it’s their personality type.
Gold diggers on the other hand date someone solely for material possessions, they don’t actually like the person they dating.
No I get it. It's like why I don't date fat women, it's not because they're fat, it's because they are losers.
I know you have an opinion on this subject just waiting to come out, mate
Would love to hear your thoughts on this, if you can be bothered to.join the sh*tstorm argument you know is.about to go down.
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Being treated like dirt by upper-middle class snobs isn't fair either. Not everyone can be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, or some prestigious professor of exciting new fields in science. The idea of "improvement" being purely career-wise is a very limited viewpoint, and plenty of men do just fine with ordinary jobs.
The woman in Sly's first post is making a pretty reasonable request; regular job and license is standard. If you're so broke you can't do anything at all that's usually not going to be acceptable.
There are quite a few working class people I don’t like. You know why? Because they’re rude to me. For no other reason than being different to them. Having being bullied and beaten up by working class people for no reason, I really don’t have time for this label everyone BS.
I like anyone until they give me a reason not to. I can’t speak for other people, but being labelled as a snob for no reason is not fair.
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