Why don't women ask out men?

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25 Dec 2018, 10:12 pm

Considering that discrimination based on sex is illegal, maybe we need to start letting them ask us.


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25 Dec 2018, 10:46 pm

cberg wrote:
Considering that discrimination based on sex is illegal, maybe we need to start letting them ask us.

As in let women ask men out for dates? It certainly should be acceptable. It’s been a long time since I’ve dated (I’m married), but I have asked men out and I have paid for both or paid my own way.



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25 Dec 2018, 10:49 pm

I mean we're guys, please let us know when we arbitrarily create double standards we can't perceive.

We need the tutelage.


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25 Dec 2018, 10:50 pm

I'm old fashioned and I wouldn't feel comfortable making the first move whether emotionally or physically. Even on PM, I feel most comfortable chatting with men who are traditional. (e.g., One member said "Do you mind if I send you a PM?", and I thought that was very sweet).


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25 Dec 2018, 10:56 pm

I'm simultaneously newfangled & oldfangled. I strongly appreciate assertive women & I also couldn't care less about the modern, internet-based dating M.O.


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25 Dec 2018, 11:05 pm

AnneOleson wrote:
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Considering the fact that discrimination based on sex is illegal, women getting paid less for equal work is not true.

It may be illegal in many places, but it does happen. Trust me. It happened to me and I’m certain has happened, and continues to happen.

Wage gap is found comparing the average income of men to average income of women. It doesn’t take into account a lot of things.



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25 Dec 2018, 11:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Considering the fact that discrimination based on sex is illegal, women getting paid less for equal work is not true.
It's understandable why a man would perpetuate the myth of "Equal pay for equal work" as the normal state of employment (instead of merely the ideal) for both men and women.

Watch shoe on head she’s a woman with a bunch of videos explaining why the wage gap doesn’t exist.

Comparing avages and saying look on average men get paid more doesn’t mean people working the same job for the same hours gets paid differently
Pink tax isn’t a thing either.



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25 Dec 2018, 11:46 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Considering the fact that discrimination based on sex is illegal, women getting paid less for equal work is not true.
It's understandable why a man would perpetuate the myth of "Equal pay for equal work" as the normal state of employment (instead of merely the ideal) for both men and women.


Not like this myth that employers choose to hire more men despite supposedly paying them more for the same work lmfao


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26 Dec 2018, 1:29 am

Enough about false dichotomies. Nearly everyone is REALLY f*****g UNDERPAID. Enough said.


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26 Dec 2018, 4:10 am

- If you're uncomfortable with asking someone out, you don't need to do it as long as you're getting asked out often enough. If you don't get asked out your choice is to do the asking or to end up single and not getting any sex (But women generally do need to signal interest. Most men ask out women who seem interested and don't do it completely at random)
- Tradition, gender roles
- What kind of behavior turns women/men on/off in the opposite sex and what kind of behavior is attractive or unattractive to them (can be due to gender roles or biological)
- Men tend to be more able to tell purely from looks who they'd like to have sex with (obviously that's only relevant when asking out a person you don't know)
- If it's about casual sex wanting it or not wanting it might tent to be more situation (interaction leading up to it) dependent for women than for men.
- Men tend to have a higher sex drive. When it comes to casual sex there's a supply and demand problem.

^ obviously all of these are generalizations



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26 Dec 2018, 6:13 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I'm old fashioned and I wouldn't feel comfortable making the first move whether emotionally or physically. Even on PM, I feel most comfortable chatting with men who are traditional. (e.g., One member said "Do you mind if I send you a PM?", and I thought that was very sweet).


Do you mind if I send you a PM?



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26 Dec 2018, 6:57 am

Another reason is pride.

If she has to ask him out she feels like there must be something wrong with her otherwise he would have asked her out already.

She doesn't want to stoop so low as to be the kind of girl that has to ask men out, after all the attractive girls get asked out. The attractive girls don't need to be the askers.



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26 Dec 2018, 7:16 am

I was asked out a few times when I was in school, by both females and males, but I didn't find any of the females in question attractive and I don't find any men attractive.

I've never asked a woman out myself, partly because few women meet my moral/intellectual/cultural standards and partly for other reasons.



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26 Dec 2018, 9:42 am

cberg wrote:
... Nearly everyone is REALLY f*****g UNDERPAID...
No ... nearly everyone believes they are underpaid, when they are only living beyond their means.



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26 Dec 2018, 11:54 am

Fnord,
just sod off.



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26 Dec 2018, 1:43 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord, just sod off.
No. I'm here to stay. Deal with it.