Help understanding my Aspie ex's behaviour
Well, MabelineGP, I guess you got your answer: Asperger's (that may or may not be his case) neither explains nor justifies his behaviors.
By the way, may I ask you a very personal question (no need to answer publicly): was any of your parents addicted to alcohol or drugs? Because you show very strong codependent patterns.
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My boyfriend and I broke up about a month ago. We have since been through a process of revelation that he has Asperger's. It makes sense of everything. I have since consumed everything I can about Asperger's to try to understand him and help him through what is a tough time but there are some things about our relationship now that I just can't get my head around.
To give a little history, we were together for two-and-a-half years, and friends before that for six months, but both in other relationships. He works with me so our lives are entirely intertwined.
Our relationship developed in what I now see was a text-book Asperger's-NT way - he was totally devoted, almost obsessional about winning me over, I felt like I had never been loved or loved anyone like this before. He moved in with me quite quickly and expressed that I was all he had ever wanted, including my two children, whom he seemed to love dearly, saying we were the family he wanted. Everything was great for two years. In retrospect I see lots of his behaviour that makes sense in an Asperger's context but nothing that was ever problematic. He was always very independent, sporty, a little reserved but I thought totally measured, and I was always happy for him to do his own thing when he wanted. We occasionally had difficulties, unsurprisingly (now) related to me feeling that he was detached or if I was upset about something (even if nothing to do with him at all) he seemed not to really care or understand why I was hurting. But I am a very sensitive and compassionate person and I thought he understood that, just like I understood he was more rational and existential. I am incapable of staying hurt or angry for more than about ten minutes with anyone (him especially) so any problems just blew over quickly, or so I thought at least. I thought we loved each other wholly, and accepted one another's flaws as just wonderful parts of each other.
But then about six months ago, he started to withdraw from me and the kids, to disengage from all the things we had previously done together and to act more and more angry and resentful if I expressed any hurt about that. I was confused but still did not see anything as a big deal (again, because I forgive very easily and I love him deeply) and put it down to just that usual couple-of-years-in-honeymoon-period-over thing that happens in most relationships but which is really the bit when you truly get to know one another. I did not think I had any reason to worry at all.
Around Christmas I noticed he was flirting with a girl we both know, but had no real reason to worry, I am not a jealous person and I knew he loved me so just sort of ignored it. He is very charming, often quite flirty so it wasn't that unusual. Anyway, to cut a long story a bit shorter, his granddad died at the end of January, which was devastating for him (he was a very important relationship for my bf). He then began an affair with this girl. I knew about it and tried my hardest to understand, help him see that he did not need to do this to us, that he was grieving etc. But he continued. He was remorseful sometimes, then almost entitled, then hurt, and so on in a spiral. If I suggested maybe I could not live like this he broke down completely and I took this (perhaps wrongly) to think he understood and loved me and would come back to me. All this time he was living with me and the kids, we were still very loving, we have always had an amazing sex life, so nothing about that, and he continued to say he loved me and sleep with me, but still to see this other girl.
Eventually it all got too much, too emotional and he moved out, though continued to sleep with me and be in touch constantly and come to me for everything. He tells me it was never 'about her' but that 'the narrative of his life has changed' and that somehow does not involve our relationship, though he seems to think everything else should continue as before. He expects to keep working with me closely every day, to be part of our social circle, to need me for his emotional support (he is clearly depressed and has had several meltdowns in the past few weeks, he will only talk to me about his Asperger's and relies on me for everything). I love him with all my heart and just want to find a way back to each other.
If he were NT, I would know that the way he is with me indicates that he still loves me and that if I keep being there and just put him first eventually he would realise that we are beautiful together, but I just don't know how to interpret this situation given his Asperger's. Everything I have read suggests a) that his cheating is very unusual and b) that staying so close to me is unusual.
I am trying to do my best for him, and I know how much he needs me, so I can't just cut him out of my life as everyone is suggesting I should do in order to heal myself from my heartbreak, but at the same time it is killing me to feel that I am his everything but that at the end of the day he is now in a relationship with this other girl and is sleeping with her and probably saying all the things he was once to me to her.
So what should I do? When I suggest to him that I can't go on like this and that it is not fair and is destroying my self-esteem, he collapses at the thought of losing me. He is also very jealous of other men (though he has nothing to be jealous of).
Does he love me and will he realise that, or is he just using me (I know that's not really the right word as he is not being actively manipulative but you know what I mean I hope). I am confident the other girl knows nothing of his Asperger's and that he is not talking to her about any of this. So am I just his crutch and she is romantic interest, and in the end will he just transfer all of that to her?
Sorry for such a long post, but I am utterly lost about what to do for the best, for him and us. I love him with all my heart.
Any advice on what might be going on, however hard for me to hear, would be much appreciated.
Sorry love, but you are destroying your own self esteem IMO because you are letting him use you and abuse you and still consider that he could love you. The aspies I know are loyal and moral with a strong sense of integrity. He does not have those qualities.Being an aspie or anything else for that matter is not a free pass for abusing people.
Ask yourself why you feel comfortable with being abused and used, I have been there and in my case it was the result of a dysfunctional, abusive childhood. Nothing you have described seems healthy for you or your children, who are learning from you that it's okay to treat people badly with no consequences. Set yourself free it will only get worse.
He is learning that he can abuse you with no consequence, you are not setting your boundaries or demanding the respect that is your right. Something I have learned, if I don't scream "ouch" then no-one will know that they have stepped on me ( metaphor). There has to be cause and effect for bad behaviour. It seems to me that you have taken on the role of his mother while your partner goes out to "play." Wish you happiness.
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By the way, may I ask you a very personal question (no need to answer publicly): was any of your parents addicted to alcohol or drugs? Because you show very strong codependent patterns.
Yes, I agree unfortunately.
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Ok, thanks all. Your advice heard loud and clear and actually very helpful. I have been trying for weeks to be strong enough to tell him it’s enough so I shall channel these responses and do that. Thanks for all your concern.
And no I did not have abusive parents but yes it is clearly a problematically codependent relationship - I do see that too - this is helpful to me breaking it.
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And no I did not have abusive parents but yes it is clearly a problematically codependent relationship - I do see that too - this is helpful to me breaking it.
Do you have someone to support you? I know from personal experience that it is really difficult to let go of a lover who treats you badly, I needed the voice of reason from good friends to get through it. I wrote a list of all the things that he had done to hurt me and gave it to my friends. Whenever my resolve wavered and I was tempted to see him my friends just read me the list that I had written by my own hand.
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Thanks @Teach51 Yes I have lots of support, from an amazing group of friends, who have essentially being saying much the same as all of you. As said earlier in these posts, I guess I have just been seeing only what I wanted to and trying to find an excuse for his treatment of me. It's been a crazy few months and a big learning curve and certainly I am someone who often prioritises others at my own expense. I'll try to find a way to be strong enough to believe in me again instead (rather tough when your self-esteem is on the floor). I am also seeing a counsellor next week so that will help me have some better insight into why I have let him do this to me. Thanks so much. xx
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Good on the counselor. Don't bring up his suspected Asperger's to the counselor; bring up your boyfriend's behaviors as they are important on their own merits.
I could be off base here, but I've wondered if you're thinking that your boyfriend's lack of empathy for your feelings as a result of the way he treats you is a characteristic of his suspected autism. If so, I believe you'd be missing the mark on that. His behavior is openly hurtful and sadistic. It's not an autistic trait to willingly inflict pain on someone for the autistic's own pleasure. To me the thought of such a thing is abhorrent.
There's a lot of information on WP about "empathy", the confusion about autistic's seeming lack of it, etc.
Thanks @Magna. In response to your question, I'm not sure really. I totally understand his behaviour in this regard is not anything to do with autism, but I guess I was questioning whether his seeming inability to see or hold onto quite how unfair/hurtful he is being to me, might be related to it. He does express empathy at how I am feeling, but kind of only in the moment, or when he is jealous, but doesn't seem to be able to keep hold of that feeling and relate it to cause-and-effect. He's also strangely unable to understand that the consequence of his treatment of me has an effect on the rest of his social life. He thinks it is not unreasonable that he should be able to stay closely involved in our social circle and that we should be able to continue to work together very closely and that should all be fine. And when I say, but other people are hurt by the way you've treated me too and don't necessarily want to hang out with you at the moment, and it is going to be impossible for me to get over you if you are always around, he seems genuinely to be surprised and very hurt by that - sometimes catastrophically so. So yes I guess I had been thinking maybe that fear of isolation and not quite understanding that his other friendships might be affected by how people have seen me be treated, might be somehow explicable by autism in some way. I think the feedback here is that that is probably not true and that if I have explained all that - which I have - then it's just that he is being very selfish and as people have said, manipulating me so that he doesn't lose everything. I guess at the point when I say, ok, you can't have us both, he will lose most of his social connections and that is scary to him so he is holding on to me as a mechanism to keep that. It's hard, because in all this, it sounds like he is just awful, but there is so much about him that is wonderful and he genuinely does seem to be messed/mixed up in his emotions about it all. Still, I just need to think about prioritising me as everyone has said. Partly I am scared about what happens when I cut him off, because it has been so harrowing when I have tried to pull away before, for both of us. x
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You can't save him; he has to do that on his own.
I've tried to save people myself. I've learned over and over that it doesn't work. If anything all I do is enable them.
You can be kind to him, but as others have said, keep things superficial and/or professional. Don't get into deep discussions with him.
I wish you all the best and for you to find true and freeing love with someone who really does value you, because that's what you deserve
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Hi all, Just an update and a heartfelt thank you for all your insight. After much further exploration and soul-searching, I did indeed conclude that those of you who suggested he was actually a narcissist masquerading as having autism were right. I read a lot about this and others experiences etc and in the end just fronted it out and asked him, and he said, basically yes, the autism claim was a lie to ensure I continued to be his ally, to feel that he needed to just be better understood and so on, and so that he could continue to treat me how he liked. I also spoke to him about NPD and he unashamedly accepted that this sounded a lot like him - almost proudly (only a narcissist would be proud to do well on a narcissism test right?). Anyway, I am not entirely free yet but I am getting stronger every day (there continues to be some fairly awful abuse, stalking, threats etc - in many ways it is escalating as I retract, which is also to be expected it seems). I wanted to thank you all again for your openness, challenge, kindness and insight. You might just have saved my life by opening my eyes. Huge love. xx
I am very sorry you're struggling with this, many of us here understand very well (from personal experience) how difficult it is to deal with a narcissist and especially how hard it is to break ties. On the other hand, I'm glad you got to understand your situation before making a bigger commitment to this man and ruining your life.
Normally I would recommend going "no contact" as the most efficient way out, but I understand your situation is a bit more complicated.
Take your time and also try to take care of yourself. I wish you quick healing, happiness and love
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Only completely blocking him on your phone and social media will break the cycle. You need to stop all contact despite the attraction. If he can't manipulate you into responding then he will lose interest. It's not your fault, but the solution is in your hands. Be strong and internalize that you really do deserve better
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