Do women simply just dislike Aspie men?
This is one of the biggest frustrations with my love life! There are aspects of my personality and interests that make feel like I can relate to both goth and athletic girls, for example, but I can't seem to appeal to either of them
This always breaks my heart when I see guys on here in their 30's who haven't even been hugged by women who aren't family On a semi-related note, have you ever met any famous women? Oddly enough, I find interacting with them less intimidating than with normal ones likely due to the fact the chances I'll ever see/talk to them again are relatively slim
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I have an idea for you single & frustrated Aspie guys You offer to share your toilet-paper hoard with a girl. TP is rarer than diamond rings rite now.
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Women date up, they don't date down. You can observe this fact for yourself by observing how aspie women have an much easier time drawing in NT males. An aspie male will have to adorn his life with all manners of vanities to excuse how his brain works in order to woo a lady. Money, looks, job, etc, will all factor in excusing the aspie brain.
Some NTs can drawn in women off sheer force personality alone, and when combined with looks, you'd observe that some NT's are so profoundly strong in these two departments that they can essentially live off a lady. Its just crazy how far personality and some ok looks can take you with women. But this isn't a privilege we share, aspie males do have the bad end of the stick in that we have to focus on all the big things of life in order to make us acceptable, but life is about the little things, therefor it puts us in a bad spot. Some members who constantly gripe about their situation in this forum understand all to well that money just doesn't motivate them, but to be acceptable to the eyes of this world you need to pursue money with fanatical zeal. Our monotropism tends to also dominate our lives and money rarely is the focus of our obsession. So it becomes all the more hard to appeal to the largest dating pool, which are the NTs.
Without being able to appeal to the largest dating pool our lives just become so very hopeless in that department. But that doesn't mean that hope is lost, but that we have to pivot our attention elsewhere. This is why I often recommend aspie males to focus on hobbies instead of women. But one thing that prevents them from doing this is their abuse of pornography. Which is the elephant in the room that keeps aspie males in a perpetual state of supplication towards their romantic life. Seeking but not finding year after year after year wrecks havoc on our brains, but we'd be much happier if we didn't seek at all. This is what needs to be offered to us, but it all has to start by advising these males to stay away from pornography and abusing themselves. Which is its own battle. We seek and don't get and so we turn to pornography as an outlet, but that's not an outlet at all because it's like pouring gasoline on a fire. It just makes things worse.
I don't like the typical responses people give 'not all women are liek that', the truth of the matter is that humans are very vain creatures and considering women are a part of the human race, that means women are as vain as men are. We are animals, and like the animals there are conditions in order for us to consider a suitor. I don't know why this terrifies some people. The sooner humans accept the limits to our psychology the better we can work with it, rather than against. Yes in the end, we're just animals, that's all that we are, and if you want to say that we're something more, then you're going to have to adopt religion.
There is a reason why the Book of Ecclesiastes says often and repeatedly. ALL is vanity. We're very vain, and all IS vanity. The only way out is through religion but that's another topic.
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Some NTs can drawn in women off sheer force personality alone, and when combined with looks, you'd observe that some NT's are so profoundly strong in these two departments that they can essentially live off a lady. Its just crazy how far personality and some ok looks can take you with women. But this isn't a privilege we share, aspie males do have the bad end of the stick in that we have to focus on all the big things of life in order to make us acceptable, but life is about the little things, therefor it puts us in a bad spot. Some members who constantly gripe about their situation in this forum understand all to well that money just doesn't motivate them, but to be acceptable to the eyes of this world you need to pursue money with fanatical zeal. Our monotropism tends to also dominate our lives and money rarely is the focus of our obsession. So it becomes all the more hard to appeal to the largest dating pool, which are the NTs.
Without being able to appeal to the largest dating pool our lives just become so very hopeless in that department. But that doesn't mean that hope is lost, but that we have to pivot our attention elsewhere. This is why I often recommend aspie males to focus on hobbies instead of women. But one thing that prevents them from doing this is their abuse of pornography. Which is the elephant in the room that keeps aspie males in a perpetual state of supplication towards their romantic life. Seeking but not finding year after year after year wrecks havoc on our brains, but we'd be much happier if we didn't seek at all. This is what needs to be offered to us, but it all has to start by advising these males to stay away from pornography and abusing themselves. Which is its own battle. We seek and don't get and so we turn to pornography as an outlet, but that's not an outlet at all because it's like pouring gasoline on a fire. It just makes things worse.
I don't like the typical responses people give 'not all women are liek that', the truth of the matter is that humans are very vain creatures and considering women are a part of the human race, that means women are as vain as men are. We are animals, and like the animals there are conditions in order for us to consider a suitor. I don't know why this terrifies some people. The sooner humans accept the limits to our psychology the better we can work with it, rather than against. Yes in the end, we're just animals, that's all that we are, and if you want to say that we're something more, then you're going to have to adopt religion.
There is a reason why the Book of Ecclesiastes says often and repeatedly. ALL is vanity. We're very vain, and all IS vanity. The only way out is through religion but that's another topic.
So I'm guessing the massage here is for aspie men to never even try to talk women ever again unless they're family, correct ?To be fair,that's I have been doing anyway for the last 2-3 and half years anyway,which is not talking with women at all ,unless they're family and focusing on just hobbies.I guess it has helped sightly,however focusing on hobbies alone doesn't really help with loneliness.I guessing maybe the few aspie men on here who do appeal to women in anyway,shape,or form, instead of being looked down on by all woman, they ether have tons of money or they look as good or better than Will Smith.
I also can't stand when people say "not all women".Sure it MIGHT, not be all women,however definitely enough women to point where there's no point of wasting our time find women who are not like that.The thing is the vast majority of women look down on men that have any social awkwardness at all,including even many aspie women as well.You told the truth when you said women date up,not down,unless that men is pretty charming or have great social skills,which we don't have neither of due to our Asperger Syndrome.This pretty much means our situation is completely hopeless unless we somehow look as good or better than Will Smith or if we make a lot more money than the average man,and even in that scenario, women would just like us for our money,or for our perfect or near perfect looks,not for us as a person
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Do ya need toilet paper? Cuz baby I could be your Prince Charmin
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Anyways, back to the topic at hand, I would suggest just being friendly to all humans, regardless of age or gender or relation (or lack thereof). This will get you used to interacting with humans without stressing or putting too much pressure on the situation.
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Tell that to every woman I’ve ever dated
In all seriousness I think this sort of generalisation is both inaccurate and unhelpful. Different people have different perceptions of “up”. People who aren’t particularly interested in dating will have very high standards for a partner, whereas people who are desperate to have a child in the next two years or to have sex in half an hour might be willing to compromise on certain things.
Individuals have their own desires, tastes, situations, and perceptions. Women are at least as individual as men.
That’s not to say that there is definitely a magical someone out there for everyone, or to knock the idea of self-improvement. But plenty of ordinary autistic guys get dates. There’s comfort in making these big sweeping generalisations in order to explain things, but I’m not sure there’s truth.
When examining the post histories of several men who have complained about lack of popularity with women, one under-riding theme seems to play out:
I wish I had the time, money, and credentials to do some real research on this. Unfortunately, it would take all of those to wade through each and every "I Can't Get A Date" post and thread on WP to prove even the slightest correlation.
But it makes intuitive sense.
So gents, if you have trouble getting acquainted with the ladies despite your best efforts, then maybe you should first try being friends with men -- that's friends, nothing more. You don't have to become a redneck, a punk-rocker, or a bad-assed alpha male -- just make a few male friends and hang out with them. Once women see that other men like you and get along well with you, they may be more likely to accept you as something other than a loner.
Anyway ... just sayin' ...
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^ that is a very good point.
If I’d never let my flat mate in first year halls at uni drag me down to the student union on the first day there:
• I'd never have been press-ganged into the local metal scene by a bloke who liked my jacket and boots,
• Never been accepted as “he’s quiet and dreamy but he’s one of us” by the lads & lasses there,
• I’d never have met the first girl I took out on a date,
• Never have been invited upstairs by girl who asked me to walk her home after dark,
• Never met my first serious girlfriend...
and never had the knowledge that I could do this thing when I met the woman who’s now my wife.
I don’t have a problem with punks. That’s a culture I wish I could engage with more but I can’t because there is no punk scene in my area. The closest is Austin but I can’t go because of the damn coronavirus shutting down everything.
Having male friends won’t magically change things. Whenever I hang out with the men who work at the comic book store, women don’t think any differently of me. Women hardly ever go to the store anyway. I also find it insulting that you think I am a creep just because I struggle socially.
If I’d never let my flat mate in first year halls at uni drag me down to the student union on the first day there:
• I'd never have been press-ganged into the local metal scene by a bloke who liked my jacket and boots,
• Never been accepted as “he’s quiet and dreamy but he’s one of us” by the lads & lasses there,
• I’d never have met the first girl I took out on a date,
• Never have been invited upstairs by girl who asked me to walk her home after dark,
• Never met my first serious girlfriend...
and never had the knowledge that I could do this thing when I met the woman who’s now my wife.
Of course, a man would still have to be the kind of man around whom other men feel comfortable, so the usual advice for going out in public would still apply (i.e., good hygiene, nice clothing, upbeat attitude, et cetera).
Cue the "Yeah-Buts", the "What-Ifs", and all the other excuses some men seem to live by ...
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If I’d never let my flat mate in first year halls at uni drag me down to the student union on the first day there:
• I'd never have been press-ganged into the local metal scene by a bloke who liked my jacket and boots,
• Never been accepted as “he’s quiet and dreamy but he’s one of us” by the lads & lasses there,
• I’d never have met the first girl I took out on a date,
• Never have been invited upstairs by girl who asked me to walk her home after dark,
• Never met my first serious girlfriend...
and never had the knowledge that I could do this thing when I met the woman who’s now my wife.
That doesn’t happen in the culture I live in. If a man can’t get a girlfriend, he’s a “loser” in the eyes of other men and he’ll get belittled for it. Instead of getting taken along to social events, you will be told “Quit whining and do it!” and left to your own devices.
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I wish I had the time, money, and credentials to do some real research on this. Unfortunately, it would take all of those to wade through each and every "I Can't Get A Date" post and thread on WP to prove even the slightest correlation.
But it makes intuitive sense.
So gents, if you have trouble getting acquainted with the ladies despite your best efforts, then maybe you should first try being friends with men -- that's friends, nothing more. You don't have to become a redneck, a punk-rocker, or a bad-assed alpha male -- just make a few male friends and hang out with them. Once women see that other men like you and get along well with you, they may be more likely to accept you as something other than a creepy loner with a bad attitude.
Anyway ... just sayin' ...
Maybe that's true now,but only because I haven't even tried to bother socializing in a couples of years and been focusing on just my hobbies.I had some male friends throughout most of my life,so lets not act I been a loner throughout my entire life. I had atleast 2 male friends back during my Middle School,High School and College years and even after as well until I was in 26/27 years old. Also had atleast one male friend until a almost a couple years ago when we had a fallout with one another.The problem is not women seem necessarily see me as loner creep.It always seem girls/women were way more interested in my friends than they were towards me.Most of my former friends had atleast 1 girlfriend throughout their life and others have gotten atleast attention from women. One of my former friends even mocked me because while he was getting date and get to fu*k several of females,I can't even get females to have long conversations with me. While it's likely true that males that have no friends tend to be seen as losers/loners by females,it doesn't explain why I NEVER got girls/women to like me at any point in my life.
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