I Talked To A Bunch Of Girls, This Is What I Learned.
I'm 6'0" ... 8" taller than my wife.
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The_Face_of_Boo
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What I learned from talking to girls is that Low self-esteem and low self confidence is like the number one dealbreaker for women.
I'm not saying all women but, from what I heard girls say in person, what I read online, and observing how they act around different guys low self-esteem and self confidence was the biggest hindrance to getting a date or getting a girl to have a conversation with you.
Now this isn't a "boo-hoo woe is me" thing for me, I think I'm relatively attractive and could get girls, I just lack the confidence(or maybe something else cause I have flirted before and talked to girls just fine, I don't know) But I do know during high-school and below when I really had no confidence and self-esteem was low it was hard to get girls to even notice me let alone talk to me. That's just my two cents on what I learned talking to women.
The information OP has provided is interesting though and the examples he gave does help me understand socializing better with women in general(or I guess trying to get dates with them)?
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I'm still not that successful with women, but you also have to remember, I started off with several disadvantages that other people don't have to deal with, so that's the reason why it's taken me so long to be successful. I had it harder than the average person with being short, being autistic, and being naturally quiet and shy.
So i'm going into my final year of college this year and i'm really going to step up and try to talk to some women and ask them out. I tried that around two years ago but was largely unsuccessful, but i'll try again this year and see if I can make something work out.
First off, i'm going to get in contact with some of my friends I met from the various clubs I attended and see if they can give me any sort of advice or see if they know anybody who might be interested. The chances of them saying yes are pretty slim, but you never know.
Last spring, I also got in touch with a girl (who previously friend-zoned me), I simply asked her if there were any clubs that she knew about that I might like. She's pretty social and works for the university so she knows things. She told me about this small church group with only around 30-40 kids. I'm thinking about going there and trying to meet people and meet girls there. The good news is that I already know several people and several girls who go there, one girl is super friendly and extroverted and would definitely be a way to get my foot in the door and meet more people. I find that other people are more receptive towards you if someone from their own group introduces you.
I also met another girl (who has a boyfriend) and was talking to her about another potential church group that I could go to during the fall. That's another way to potentially meet people and meet girls and find a girlfriend. And since I know her, that's my way in to her social circle, which is likely filled with other cute girls as well.
I was also in a sports club and a video editing club from last year. I'm thinking about dropping the sports club because
I never invested socially with any of them so as a result, I never developed any social relationships there.Not to mention the majority of the girls there I was either not attracted to or they were drug and alcohol addicts so I woudn't be compatible with any of them.
As for the film club, i'll continue to go there. There's lots of cute girls who go there. I'm going to need to think of a way to approach this if I want to find a girlfriend. Should I go all in and just ask girls out right away? Or should I play the waiting game and just try to talk to a lot of people there and then ask out the girls who are interested the most? You have to be somewhat tactical about it.
One thing I learned....when I was in my early 20s:
Women like it better when it doesn’t seem as if you’re desperate for a date or a relationship. I used to show my desperation. Women recoiled from me in disgust (literally).
When I started pursuing my interests, and placed “finding a girlfriend” far down my priority list, I achieved more success.
The majority of women will reject you and some of them won't be too nice about it.
By my own account, i'm not the best looking guy. I'm short, and fairly skinny despite working out on a regular basis, and i'm nothing special facial wise either. I also have Aspergers syndrome which is known to impair social intelligence and your ability to read unwritten social rules. As a result, I probably get rejected more than the average person due to my major disadvantages. But even if you're good looking, you're still going to get rejected, just at a lower rate compared to someone who isn't as attractive.
From my experience, the majority of women will not like you back, and some of them won't be too nice about it either. Iv'e had several women look at me with absolute disgust when I tried striking up a conversation with them; and with other women, when I tried talking to them, they would either find excuses to leave the conversation early or a few of them would flat out ignore me and walk away. And I wasn't hitting up random girls on the street either or saying lewd/inappropriate comments. These were mainly girls from the clubs I attended or the classes that I was in. Also the majority of women were simply not too invested into keeping the conversation going; I was the one doing all of the talking, asking questions, while most women simply didn't give a s**t about trying to make it work. I even had women yell at me and treat me like horse crap. All of this was very humiliating to me and overtime, it began to take a toll on my self-esteem.
Not all women acted cold and stuck up towards me though. I made friends with several girls who were warm and friendly towards me. I became friends with a girl at a gaming club and another girl at a church group I attended.
You get better at learning to read signs that a woman does and doesn't like you.
The more women you talk to and the more women you ask out, the better you are at knowing whether or not she's going to say yes. When I first started out, I had a sort of tunnel vision. If I liked a girl, I would ask her out regardless of whether or not I thought she was going to say yes. And then if she said no, (which they did 100% of the time) I would then look back and pay attention to the signs that indicated she wasn't interested, and that's how I got better at knowing whether they were going to say no.
If a girl told me she was "too busy" or she said "let me brings my friends along", I assumed she was legitimately too busy and as a result, I wound up chasing several girls for several months who strung me along when I should have instead backed off and moved on. But as I got more experienced, I learned that most women will reject you indirectly and won't be upfront about the fact that they don't want to date you. I learned that when a woman says she's "too busy" or "let me brings my friends along" or "my phone is dead sorry", it's just an indirect way of saying they're not interested. Sure this is obvious to a lot of people but it wasn't obvious to me, i'm just some guy with aspergers. I'm pretty sure figuring out quantum mechanics is easier than figuring out women.
I also learned some other signs a woman isn't interested. She openly talks about other guys she's casually seeing or interested in while you're around, she tries leaving the conversation early, she's not too interested in getting your contact information, she frequently ghosts you when you're texting her, etc...
No matter how many times you get a no, there's always going to be someone who's willing to says yes.
I'm short, skinny, a bit of a nerd, and people have described me as weird and iv'e still managed to at least get a few girls to give me a shot. In my four years of trying on and off, iv'e asked out around 16 girls out on a date and 4 have said yes. Although realistically, I didn't ask out every single girl I pursued because many of them had boyfriends or I knew they were going to say no. So in reality, maybe around 1 in 25 to 30 girls I pursue, one of them would be willing to at least go on a date with me.
These four dates never went anywhere but a part of that was simply due to incompatibility. But nevertheless, there were several women who were at least willing to take some time out of their day to meet up with me. So that's definitely a positive.
Women who say yes aren't going to be the majority, especially if you're a short skinny nerd with aspergers syndrome, but if you ask out enough women, eventually one is going to say yes. Depending on how you go about asking women out, your chances of getting a yes might be the equivalent of finding a shiny Pokemon with Pokerus, which is why I don't recommend trying to find a date on Tinder unless you're really good looking. Your chances of getting a yes go significantly up if you try meeting people in real life.
Rejection is inevitable. The better you are at handling rejection, the more successful you will be.
The better you are at handling rejection and not letting it emotionally phase you, the more successful you will be. Rejection is simply a part of the game and much like how you can't be a boxer without getting punched in the face, you can't play the game of dating without being rejected from time to time. That's why if you suffer from rejection sensitivity, you need to learn how to handle rejection better.
I will admit that this is a weakness of mine. In the past, when I would get rejected by a girl, it would completely devastate me and I would be depressed for months! I blame this on the fact that I have pre-conceived notions about myself that women don't like me because i'm short and autistic and when I get rejected by a girl, she's doing it because she's judging me on my height and aspergers. And when I got rejected by a girl, I would simply give up for months at a time.
That's why it's very important to learn how to cope with rejection and not let it phase you.
I still have a lot to learn...
Even though I am still a 25 year old virgin who has yet to find a girlfriend, I have still made a lot of progress compared to when I first started out. When I was 21 years old, I coudn't even talk to girls at all without crapping myself. And over time, I built myself up to at least be able to strike up conversations with women and even ask them out.
I will admit that I started off with several disadvantages that other people don't have and this is why it's taking me longer to be successful. I'm short, have aspergers, I had to fix my personality and my self-esteem issues. Dating has not been easy for me at all and in fact it's been very hard!
It's hard to be positive when you're comparing yourself to other people as well. For many people, especially if they're good looking, dating is easy for them. They're easily able to get dates, have sex, and get into relationship with very little effort. I never had this luxury in life; I had to work my butt off every step of the way just to even get a chance at any sort of dating life! Nothing was given to me! Maybe that just means when I finally become successful, I will appreciate it more.
one thing that can help is being an optimistic hard working person.. my dad found an attractive woman that seems to not recognize his autism.. i am negative and lazy and have not had that success.. I kind of did what you did in college and after college too - went around different clubs and tried to get a date.. the dates did not lead to a third date ever though.. don't put yourself in a bad situation by talking to women who will later complain that you are being creepy or weird as that will give you a bad reputation.. but don't be afraid to keep trying, just be careful as it will burn bridges as much as it will open opportunities.. keep in mind that many if not most women may want a one-time sexual experience with you and NOT want to date you on a long term basis at all.
I think that was how it was back when I was in my 20s also.
What's changed now is tinder and similar apps where men who can hook up for one night stands and a lot of NT women (especially those travelling/holidays even if they have B/Fs) have no problem sleeping around so long as the men have no baggage, strings attached and not desperate.
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I think the OP's experiences and advice are very smart and would benefit a number of users here who have been discouraged by rejection. If you keep mining for the gold you're looking for you're sure to eventually find more than just the dust scraps!
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