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22 Jul 2020, 6:59 pm

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We have to adapt to a toxic social mindset that is dominated by lies, deception and a predatory hierarchical social system that often "Takes No Prisoners".


NTs are also victims of competition



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22 Jul 2020, 7:02 pm

^ that is implicit in the word 'hierarchical'
especially when the rest of the sentence is taken in like 'deception' implies someone was deceived, predatory means there was prey and of course the majority of people being non-autistic, they would be the prey too...

the topic is pertaining to autistics in particular - because that's what this website is about -
that doesn't mean anyone else is protected ('"takes no prisoners")


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22 Jul 2020, 7:19 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
the topic is pertaining to autistics in particular - because that's what this website is about -
that doesn't mean anyone else is protected ('"takes no prisoners")


sought of like black lives matter?



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22 Jul 2020, 7:24 pm

i forgot you have a 'chip on your shoulder' about this from past bad experiences and read it as something else when someone is trying to share and learn from each other's experiences -
but if you take into account the intent behind the poster's words and line it up with his words (combined with empathy) it makes even more sense what i said.

anyway, you can think what you want, it's odd that you're on this website though


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22 Jul 2020, 7:28 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
i forgot you have a 'chip on your shoulder' about this from past bad experiences and read it as something else when someone is trying to share and learn from each other's experiences -
but if you take into account the intent behind the poster's words and line it up with his words (combined with empathy) it makes even more sense what i said.

anyway, you can think what you want, it's odd that you're on this website though


Why are you getting defensive? the analogy is the same, all people can potentially be victims of NT hierarchy and competitive society but members on this forum are pointing out they are more likely to be dealt a wrong card which the OP has said is unfair. Likewise black people are not the only victims of police but they want others to know their lives matter because they also have been dealt a wrong card.



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22 Jul 2020, 7:41 pm

i've seen a pattern in how you take on some people
(more likely is true - hence 'support' etc is a common factor in how one is categorized according to dsm..
for example if my son is out and about and being his real self -which he has no other way to be -
plenty of people ignore him or mistreat him if i would let them - i've seen the differences in how the less obviously Autistic child is treated vs more , with professionals even)


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22 Jul 2020, 7:43 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
i've seen a pattern in how you take on some people


Take on?



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22 Jul 2020, 7:44 pm

*i edited above post to add something.

you say something which has something implied in it, in a relatively nasty way towards autistics here i mean,
and then backpedal or minimize it


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22 Jul 2020, 7:51 pm

if it isn't the case here, i apologize. and this interpretation of mine is then just as bad as what i think i was pointing out.

but i read much of what you say as snark and not genuine feedback from seeing things in the past when i was here.


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22 Jul 2020, 8:02 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
for example if my son is out and about and being his real self -which he has no other way to be -
plenty of people ignore him or mistreat him if i would let them - i've seen the differences in how the less obviously Autistic child is treated vs more , with professionals even)


Yes I understand this experience as I have a child with autism. Often NTs don't know how to deal with a child on the spectrum (less obvious or more obvious).



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22 Jul 2020, 8:11 pm

cyberdad wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
for example if my son is out and about and being his real self -which he has no other way to be -
plenty of people ignore him or mistreat him if i would let them - i've seen the differences in how the less obviously Autistic child is treated vs more , with professionals even)


Yes I understand this experience as I have a child with autism. Often NTs don't know how to deal with a child on the spectrum (less obvious or more obvious).


reading the above it's obvious my defensiveness was misreading the intent..

just let me skulk into a corner. if i had a tail it would be between my legs.. (whatever that saying is).


with less obvious..

they are blamed for things they didn't intend (or expected to do things without guidance that they need)

since adults think the child is easily controlled/able to 'snap out of it' / faking..


then they label it 'bad behaviour' or 'bad parenting'... or 'too sensitive' ( which i guess is true)

emotional reactivity, i've observed- seems to be greater in 'level 1' or 2 autism .. that reads as immaturity .. for example the child clutching their head, crying/screaming/agitated for hours, because a specific (small) thing didn't happen as they expected...

while the 'level 3' child might take in stride


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22 Jul 2020, 8:37 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
for example if my son is out and about and being his real self -which he has no other way to be -
plenty of people ignore him or mistreat him if i would let them - i've seen the differences in how the less obviously Autistic child is treated vs more , with professionals even)


Yes I understand this experience as I have a child with autism. Often NTs don't know how to deal with a child on the spectrum (less obvious or more obvious).


reading the above it's obvious my defensiveness was misreading the intent..

just let me skulk into a corner. if i had a tail it would be between my legs.. (whatever that saying is).


with less obvious..

they are blamed for things they didn't intend (or expected to do things without guidance that they need)

since adults think the child is easily controlled/able to 'snap out of it' / faking..

then they label it 'bad behaviour' or 'bad parenting'... or 'too sensitive' ( which i guess is true)

emotional reactivity, i've observed- seems to be greater in 'level 1' or 2 autism .. that reads as immaturity .. for example the child clutching their head, crying/screaming/agitated for hours, because a specific (small) thing didn't happen as they expected...

while the 'level 3' child might take in stride


Don't worry about it :)

Yes my wife and I have been the recipients of "Karens" who thought we were poor parents, The worst experience was when we took our 4yr old on a long haul flight. We created a civil war on board with passengers and crew lecturing us on why we shouldn't bring "problem" children on flights. One hostess demanded we take our child to hospital.

But there were passengers who stood up for us and argued back on our behalf. There's a lot of good NTs out there.



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23 Jul 2020, 2:31 am

cyberdad wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
the topic is pertaining to autistics in particular - because that's what this website is about -
that doesn't mean anyone else is protected ('"takes no prisoners")


sought of like black lives matter?

They don't even need to be cared exept for racist like you or Hitler who make them a different thing. Btw. I would like if you would keep your racist BS away from WP.



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23 Jul 2020, 3:38 am

quite an extreme wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
the topic is pertaining to autistics in particular - because that's what this website is about -
that doesn't mean anyone else is protected ('"takes no prisoners")


sought of like black lives matter?

They don't even need to be cared exept for racist like you or Hitler who make them a different thing. Btw. I would like if you would keep your racist BS away from WP.


No need to be unpleasant



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23 Jul 2020, 6:00 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
^ that is implicit in the word 'hierarchical'
especially when the rest of the sentence is taken in like 'deception' implies someone was deceived, predatory means there was prey and of course the majority of people being non-autistic, they would be the prey too...

the topic is pertaining to autistics in particular - because that's what this website is about -
that doesn't mean anyone else is protected ('"takes no prisoners")


Well analysed.

Yep, I was referring to the dog-eat-dog nature of NT society.
The NT universe has a higher proportion of ferals.

Those on the spectrum have a greater genetic/instinctual tendency to protect other people who struggle with life.
I am not saying NTs, collectively, don't.
It is just more prevalent in Auties, based on the research I have come across.

cyberdad didn't mean any harm, btw. :wink:



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23 Jul 2020, 6:04 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
if it isn't the case here, i apologize. and this interpretation of mine is then just as bad as what i think i was pointing out.

but i read much of what you say as snark and not genuine feedback from seeing things in the past when i was here.


cyberdad has changed for the better. :wink: