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Do We Choose Who We Fall In Love With???
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05 Dec 2020, 8:06 pm

Pepe wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
Maybe we don't choose who we fall in love with but you can choose how you act upon those feelings.
I think "we can't help who we fall in love with!" is sometimes used as an excuse for inappropriate relationships.


There is love,
And then there is infatuation, obsession, limerence.

Love is a choice.
It is a commitment to allow the "luv mechanism" to begin, consciously and subconsciously. 8)


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I knew you would say the above-mentioned...Because of your logical mind as an INTJ...Not that you don't have feelings...You just don't let these control you...So, you have more control over who you fall for...SMART!! ! :wink:



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05 Dec 2020, 8:12 pm

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A lot of folks get in trouble because they mistakenly get "love" mixed up with infatuation.

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I know INFATUATION first-hand...And in my case, it did not last more than 3 months...Interestingly, according to experts, this is how long we can keep-up a facade...(NTs also mask to show their better self; but unlike Aspies, we apparently cannot maintain it for more than three months or so)...This is what i have read; feel free to correct me if i am wrong... :wink:



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05 Dec 2020, 8:15 pm

Whale_Tuune wrote:
It can be either. Love is ultimately something which you cannot force, but you can put yourself in a position to be around people and meet people who you like and can learn to love with time.

For example... Maybe I "like" two guys, one who lives in my city and one who is moving soon. I could probably "love" either if given enough time, but I will probably choose to pursue the one near me.

Plenty of people go on dating apps and mixer events in order to find someone to love. It is a partially deliberate, partially unconscious process.

Now, sometimes people are in close proximity with others (ie friends or close colleagues) and find that their emotional closeness has moved beyond friendship and become "love" without the initial "dating to get to know you" part happening first. Then they dramatically declare their love for their friend.

The former way of falling in love (going to a dating event or an app, or just seeing something you like in someone else, dating for a while with the intent of falling in love and then falling in love) is more common. The latter (struck by lightning, without even meaning to) is more common on TV... it does happen irl, but less. And it does not usually turn out as well irl. :roll:

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05 Dec 2020, 9:20 pm

Pepe wrote:
Love is a choice.
It is a commitment to allow the "luv mechanism" to begin, consciously and subconsciously. 8)

I don't think so. I remember that little lesbian girl who sat on the bottom totally in tears and I couldn't explain why she was looking totally angry on me. I didn't do anything to her before and was talking to that nice barmaid only that night. A long time after that evening I realized that just this was her problem with me because she totally crushed on a smile of me before. Why should a tomboyish girl like her intentionally chose to do so? :oops: :? :roll:

Or that girl who crushed on me and pretended being drunken for brushing against me again and again a whole evening. My wife who was with me disliked that of course. But I think the choice of the girl was only what she tryed to get in contact but not to crush on me at first sight before.

But that where crushes of them only of course and love is a bit more but it was never a real choice of me nor that girl and never ever a slowly growing thing as well. True love requires an awesome emotional connection far beyond any kind of calculation towards each other and that is quite hard to explain. It's kind of spacing out into another dimension of full of fun and joy and positive emotions where you force each other to enjoy it even more.
People who didn't yet face it have no idea. Poor ones! Love is when the 'Ode to joy' of Beethovon finally totally makes sense to you just because you enjoy each other in such an incredibly way far beyond anything you knew before and what you ever imagined being possible regarding your feelings.

Sorry Whale_Tuune, but you have not yet even a a bit of an idea of love. :( Did you ever enjoy somebody being just near to you like nothing else on this whole damn planet? Being full of incredibly joy as well as he did enjoy you?
If it comes to this then I totally agree with Schiller in the "Ode to joy" who sayd: "Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle weinend sich aus diesem Bund!" ("But the one who was never able to this should slink weeping away from this union!") But of course it's just my opinion about this and loving someone else beyond all limits is something that most people in their whole poor lifes never find ... :mrgreen:


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05 Dec 2020, 10:27 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Love is a choice.
It is a commitment to allow the "luv mechanism" to begin, consciously and subconsciously. 8)

I don't think so. I remember that little lesbian girl who sat on the bottom totally in tears and I couldn't explain why she was looking totally angry on me. I didn't do anything to her before and was talking to that nice barmaid only that night. A long time after that evening I realized that just this was her problem with me because she totally crushed on a smile of me before. Why should a tomboyish girl like her intentionally chose to do so? :oops: :? :roll:

Or that girl who crushed on me and pretended being drunken for brushing against me again and again a whole evening. My wife who was with me disliked that of course. But I think the choice of the girl was only what she tryed to get in contact but not to crush on me at first sight before.

But that where crushes of them only of course and love is a bit more but it was never a real choice of me nor that girl and never ever a slowly growing thing as well. True love requires an awesome emotional connection far beyond any kind of calculation towards each other and that is quite hard to explain. It's kind of spacing out into another dimension of full of fun and joy and positive emotions where you force each other to enjoy it even more.
People who didn't yet face it have no idea. Poor ones! Love is when the 'Ode to joy' of Beethovon finally totally makes sense to you just because you enjoy each other in such an incredibly way far beyond anything you knew before and what you ever imagined being possible regarding your feelings.

Sorry Whale_Tuune, but you have not yet even a a bit of an idea of love. :( Did you ever enjoy somebody being just near to you like nothing else on this whole damn planet? Being full of incredibly joy as well as he did enjoy you?
If it comes to this then I totally agree with Schiller in the "Ode to joy" who sayd: "Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle weinend sich aus diesem Bund!" ("But the one who was never able to this should slink weeping away from this union!") But of course it's just my opinion about this and loving someone else beyond all limits is something that most people in their whole poor lifes never find ... :mrgreen:


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05 Dec 2020, 11:24 pm

After reading your replies, i have concluded that human beings are so-o-o diverse that we differ even in the way we each fall in love...

As to me, being ENFJ, with an extraverted feeling that makes it impossible to hide my emotions...And a logical brain that i hardly use in my decision-making...It is no surprise that i did not choose who i fell in love with...It really hit me like a lighting bolt and cut me in half, just like the Latin poet Neruda describes it...

You see, my beloved (Aspie) husband and i should NOT be together...All the odds have been against us since the very beginning of our courtship: Different countries of origin...Different ethnicity...Different native language...Different upbringing...Different education...OMG!! !...And the list goes on...

We have overcome so-o-o many obstacles in order to be together...And once together, we have encountered so-o-o many hardships, especially our many misunderstandings that have led to conflict due to our neuro-diversity...It is really a miracle that we survived our first year of marriage...(Hopefully, we will soon be celebrating our second wedding anniversary)...May God bless my marriage with peace, tranquility, and happiness... :heart: :heart: :heart:

Post Script: Really, the only thing that has kept us together through thick and thin has been that which brought us together in the first place, our devotion to the Almighty God...



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06 Dec 2020, 1:44 am

Clueless2017 wrote:
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We do not choose who we fall in love with. I have never consciously looked at someone and thought I will fall in love them. We choose who we pursue and date but not who we fall in love with.

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This has been my experience, also...I must agree...Maybe, we both base our decisions on FEELING and not LOGIC...While others may differ, basing their decisions on LOGIC not FEELING...So this last group, unlike you and i, may have more control over who they 'choose' to love... :idea:

Love is a feeling that happens with time and connection and chemistry and commitment. I use logic to decide who to pursue and date. I need similar interests and values and intelligence and views on life to even begin to be interested in someone. Logic to find possibility of love. But love happens without choice as it is a feeling first then an action. Does that make sense?



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06 Dec 2020, 1:47 am

Clueless2017 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
Maybe we don't choose who we fall in love with but you can choose how you act upon those feelings.
I think "we can't help who we fall in love with!" is sometimes used as an excuse for inappropriate relationships.


There is love,
And then there is infatuation, obsession, limerence.

Love is a choice.
It is a commitment to allow the "luv mechanism" to begin, consciously and subconsciously. 8)


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I knew you would say the above-mentioned...Because of your logical mind as an INTJ...Not that you don't have feelings...You just don't let these control you...So, you have more control over who you fall for...SMART!! ! :wink:


Exactimundo.
The intellect tumps emotions. 8)

The last time I fell in luv, it was a conscious decision.
It was platonic luv, but luv non-the-less. 8)

I have spent half my life engaging in serious metacognition, in addition to being an autie, who by nature, thinks on a conscious level, rather than a more intuitive level the way most NTs do. 8)
That is a fracking strong combination.

Now that I have profound self-confidence, I am not swayed by expressions of disbelief, any longer, by less enlightened quasi-individuals. :P
Damn, I'm good. 8)

Yes, I am very much an INTJ. 8)



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06 Dec 2020, 1:54 am

Steffipanda wrote:
Clueless2017 wrote:
Steffipanda wrote:
We do not choose who we fall in love with. I have never consciously looked at someone and thought I will fall in love them. We choose who we pursue and date but not who we fall in love with.

... ... ...
This has been my experience, also...I must agree...Maybe, we both base our decisions on FEELING and not LOGIC...While others may differ, basing their decisions on LOGIC not FEELING...So this last group, unlike you and i, may have more control over who they 'choose' to love... :idea:

Love is a feeling that happens with time and connection and chemistry and commitment. I use logic to decide who to pursue and date. I need similar interests and values and intelligence and views on life to even begin to be interested in someone. Logic to find possibility of love. But love happens without choice as it is a feeling first then an action. Does that make sense?


I disagree that there is no choice in falling in luv.
Feel free to fall in luv with me if you must, but I will need to get to know you better, first. 8)

You have made a very good first impression, btw.
You may be lucky. 8)
I'm too old for you, btw, but if you can't resist my charms, who am I to deny your amorous desires? :mrgreen:



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06 Dec 2020, 1:58 am

quite an extreme wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Love is a choice.
It is a commitment to allow the "luv mechanism" to begin, consciously and subconsciously. 8)

I don't think so. I remember that little lesbian girl who sat on the bottom totally in tears and I couldn't explain why she was looking totally angry on me. I didn't do anything to her before and was talking to that nice barmaid only that night. A long time after that evening I realized that just this was her problem with me because she totally crushed on a smile of me before. Why should a tomboyish girl like her intentionally chose to do so? :oops: :? :roll:

Or that girl who crushed on me and pretended being drunken for brushing against me again and again a whole evening. My wife who was with me disliked that of course. But I think the choice of the girl was only what she tryed to get in contact but not to crush on me at first sight before.


That is not "love".
That is infatuation or limerence. 8)



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06 Dec 2020, 2:10 am

Whale_Tuune wrote:
It can be either. Love is ultimately something which you cannot force, but you can put yourself in a position to be around people and meet people who you like and can learn to love with time.

For example... Maybe I "like" two guys, one who lives in my city and one who is moving soon. I could probably "love" either if given enough time, but I will probably choose to pursue the one near me.

Plenty of people go on dating apps and mixer events in order to find someone to love. It is a partially deliberate, partially unconscious process.


Even if it is an unconscious choice, it is still a choice.
You aren't going to fall in romantic luv with a goanna and want reptilian offspring, right?

There are certain parameters which must be fulfilled in order to fall in luv.
Choices are made through conscious, subconscious or unconscious considerations.

If you wish, we could change the question to: Do we consciously fall in luv?

Whale_Tuune wrote:
Now, sometimes people are in close proximity with others (ie friends or close colleagues) and find that their emotional closeness has moved beyond friendship and become "love" without the initial "dating to get to know you" part happening first. Then they dramatically declare their love for their friend.

The former way of falling in love (going to a dating event or an app, or just seeing something you like in someone else, dating for a while with the intent of falling in love and then falling in love) is more common. The latter (struck by lightning, without even meaning to) is more common on TV... it does happen irl, but less. And it does not usually turn out as well irl. :roll:


Yes, yes, and yes. 8)



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06 Dec 2020, 2:12 am

Clueless2017 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
On some level, we choose, otherwise we would be marrying emus, kangaroos and koalas. 8)

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LOL :D :D :D ...Or fish and skunks... :D :D :D


Feel free to dump you gorgeous human husband for a skunk, any time you wish, but don't expect me to PM you with the request. :mrgreen:



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06 Dec 2020, 2:14 am

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cyberdad wrote:
Clueless2017 wrote:
Please respond with a brief "Yes" or "No" and feel free to elaborate (or not) afterwards...

I will be following your responses closely as i am very interested to learn what your thoughts are on this fascinating topic...Thank you in advance for your replies here...

NT, here, happily married to my beloved yet undiagnosed most handsome Aspie :wink:


Yes...love is kind of a state of mind and people who you don't love now you can fall in love over time. That's why judging people on looks (e.g. handsome) is so limiting since there is no guarantee whatsoever that the person you fall in love with has a suitable personality/character that will compliment you down the track.


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Good point...This explains why arranged marriages (usually by parents) in other cultures succeed... :idea:


I have read that marriage through "luv" is a relatively recent phenomenon. 8)



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06 Dec 2020, 2:16 am

Clueless2017 wrote:
Steffipanda wrote:
We do not choose who we fall in love with. I have never consciously looked at someone and thought I will fall in love them. We choose who we pursue and date but not who we fall in love with.

... ... ...
This has been my experience, also...I must agree...Maybe, we both base our decisions on FEELING and not LOGIC...While others may differ, basing their decisions on LOGIC not FEELING...So this last group, unlike you and i, may have more control over who they 'choose' to love... :idea:


BINGO! 8)



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06 Dec 2020, 2:17 am

Clueless2017 wrote:
Whale_Tuune wrote:
It can be either. Love is ultimately something which you cannot force, but you can put yourself in a position to be around people and meet people who you like and can learn to love with time.

For example... Maybe I "like" two guys, one who lives in my city and one who is moving soon. I could probably "love" either if given enough time, but I will probably choose to pursue the one near me.

Plenty of people go on dating apps and mixer events in order to find someone to love. It is a partially deliberate, partially unconscious process.

Now, sometimes people are in close proximity with others (ie friends or close colleagues) and find that their emotional closeness has moved beyond friendship and become "love" without the initial "dating to get to know you" part happening first. Then they dramatically declare their love for their friend.

The former way of falling in love (going to a dating event or an app, or just seeing something you like in someone else, dating for a while with the intent of falling in love and then falling in love) is more common. The latter (struck by lightning, without even meaning to) is more common on TV... it does happen irl, but less. And it does not usually turn out as well irl. :roll:

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You are WISE beyond your years...It's a pleasure to know you...Thank you for sharing... :heart: :heart: :heart:


As Trump would say, Whale_Tuune is a pretty smart cookie, yes. 8)



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06 Dec 2020, 3:34 am

Raleigh wrote:
Maybe we don't choose who we fall in love with but you can choose how you act upon those feelings.
I think "we can't help who we fall in love with!" is sometimes used as an excuse for inappropriate relationships.


Yes.

We can't really control who we will have a biological, chemical reaction to, the same way standing in the sun will cause out body to become warm. But we can decide to move ourselves into the shade so that we don't burn.