TwilightPrincess wrote:
rse92 wrote:
It's too bad for anyone who came here for actual advice that this has turned into a joke thread.
People can start a separate thread if they wish, but I made it clear in my OP that silliness was welcome.
And extreme silliness, too. Happy to jump aboard that train.
But for those who want more serious answers, I'm happy to provide some hopefully-helpful perspective on that, too:
1) always consider the other person's perspective before hitting on them. This includes important things like not hitting on somebody in an elevator or any other area where they can't just walk away. This includes not hitting on your waitress because she has no choice but to return to the table. (Save it for after the meal if at all. It likely still won't be welcome, but this is far better than during the meal)
2) One of the most important things is to just keep it casual. If you start getting obsessed with the person before you even talk to them, well, that's something that some of us are prone to, and it's very unhealthy. It comes across in the conversation instantly and creates something like too much imbalance of interest. It can feel creepy on the other side due to the large imbalance. If this happens to you, and it has certainly happened to me in the past, you can look into healing your attachment style, reading up on avoiding limerence, and ultimately, with any likelihood, continuing to work on your sense of self-worth.
3) you can open with an observation, you can open with a question, you can open with a compliment... There are so many ways to begin a conversation. I'll set out some ideas here.
If opening with an observation about your shared surroundings, you can use whatever humor works for you, or, you can just have a straight delivery. If you're out looking over the Grand Canyon, it wouldn't be inappropriate to start with something like "Wow, this is really one of those places that makes you feel connected to the Earth. It's incredible isn't it?" But if you're going to use an observation, make sure it's something that you could actually handle having a conversation about. I don't go to art museums and strike up conversations about paintings, because I don't have a damn thing to say about them.
If you find yourself interested in someone in a more mundane setting, a compliment might be more appropriate. General rule here is to never compliment their body, but to instead compliment something that they have clearly put effort into or something that is clearly based on a decision they have made. Choice of haircut, a shirt with your favorite band, fashion in general. If somebody walked up to me and said "wow, you're pale and I find that really attractive" -- funny as that is -- It would be much more meaningful if someone told me they were inspired by something I said, or even if they appreciates the style choices I made in that day's outfit, the choice to wear suspenders instead of a belt, whatever.
And finally, if you're going to express interest in somebody by opening up with a question... this is my favorite way to get to meet people. Because you're truly inviting them into conversation. Here are two examples from my own life recently.
At an airport: "hey, I'm traveling solo and I've got an hour until my flight and I could use some friendly conversation. Would you like to talk for a bit?" (they decline) "No worries, hope you'll have a great weekend."
At some outdoor seating at a resort, I walked up to a woman and made eye contact, then gestured to the open chair next to her. "May I?" (she accepts) "My god this place is beautiful, isn't it? It's my first time ever being here. What are the big secrets I should know?"
In that last example, I used another very powerful tool in getting to know someone and establishing trust -- asking for their help. This is a massively rapport-building move. For the vast majority of my life, my ego would never allow me to do this. And yet it has opened so many doors in the past few years. Be brave enough to show some vulnerability and ask for help. It speaks volumes of your character, and it also gives the other person an opportunity to feel good by helping, and it also creates forward momentum in the conversation.
I hope these examples are illustrative. I believe that learning to approach people and have conversations is an extraordinarily critical skill. I talk to strangers, real conversations, almost everywhere I go, almost every chance I get. Even as someone who needs an enormous amount of solo recharge time, even as someone who couldn't make eye contact 15 years ago, even as someone who gets very burnt out from the cognitive processing of social events... I am continually practicing my social skills.
I don't always get it right. But I'm always trying to get better. Because every great opportunity in life involves other people. All of the knowledge, all of the wealth, all of the sex, all of the perspective. The ceiling on how much of these things you can experience alone is very low. Almost all the best stuff in life is gained through relationships with other human beings. Or aliens. Whatever.
And it takes practice. And it takes failure. And that's going to suck. It's going to hurt. So do it often, do it early, get rejected, let it hurt, and recognize that there are about a million reasons for rejection. Practice this. That way you're not metaphorically showing up to a shooting competition, trying to shoot your shot, when you've never even held the gun before.
So for rse92 and others, I hope that's helpful.
If you want more good information on this stuff, I suggest checking out Charisma on Command on YouTube. I also recommend the video "The real reason you don't get a second date" by Dr. K at HealthyGamerGG. As well as, frankly, all of his content, which is fantastic.
Now, you'd better believe I still want to see a bunch of silly and extremely silly stuff coming after this!