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13 Oct 2024, 11:57 pm

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I take issue with how the question has been posed. If Chinese wives were "more" obedient that implies that non-Chinese wives might be less so, but still "obedient." Wives should never be obedient at all.


If non-Chinese wives might be less obedient, then they might not be obedient at all, they don't have to be some level of obedient. Sort of like a scale, where western wives might hover around '0' on the obedience scale with Chinese wives sometimes being further up that scale.

Some men believe in or value the concept of benevolent paternalism which could be interpreted as 'sexism' by those with feminist beliefs. Strictly feminist beliefs aren't the only beliefs that exist, the world is a big place.



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14 Oct 2024, 12:40 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
bee33 wrote:
I take issue with how the question has been posed. If Chinese wives were "more" obedient that implies that non-Chinese wives might be less so, but still "obedient." Wives should never be obedient at all.


If non-Chinese wives might be less obedient, then they might not be obedient at all, they don't have to be some level of obedient. Sort of like a scale, where western wives might hover around '0' on the obedience scale with Chinese wives sometimes being further up that scale.

Some men believe in or value the concept of benevolent paternalism which could be interpreted as 'sexism' by those with feminist beliefs. Strictly feminist beliefs aren't the only beliefs that exist, the world is a big place.

Nope. There are many bigoted and inappropriate beliefs that some people hold, and none of them are okay. Feminist beliefs are fundamental beliefs about the rights and equality of women and are non-negotiable.

And from a language standpoint you are incorrect as to what "more" is used to mean.



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14 Oct 2024, 12:53 am

bee33 wrote:
Nope. There are many bigoted and inappropriate beliefs that some people hold and none of them are okay. Feminist beliefs are fundamental beliefs about the rights and equality of women and are non-negotiable.


Considering that a good portion of societies have different arrangements than strict feminism, worldwide, countries in the Middle East, Africa and East Asia and so on, you are effectively labelling billions of people as having "bigoted and inappropriate beliefs". That sounds more than a little racist and bigoted in itself.

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And from a language standpoint you are incorrect as to what "more" is used to mean.


Incorrect in your mind, perhaps.



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14 Oct 2024, 12:59 am

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14 Oct 2024, 1:01 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
bee33 wrote:
Nope. There are many bigoted and inappropriate beliefs that some people hold and none of them are okay. Feminist beliefs are fundamental beliefs about the rights and equality of women and are non-negotiable.


Considering that a good portion of societies have different arrangements than strict feminism, worldwide, countries in the Middle East, Africa and East Asia and so on, you are effectively labelling billions of people as having "bigoted and inappropriate beliefs". That sounds more than a little racist and bigoted in itself.
That's not the defense of your position that you think it is. Substitute "racism" and would you still be making this statement?

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And from a language standpoint you are incorrect as to what "more" is used to mean.
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Incorrect in your mind, perhaps.
No, there are actual rules of usage that are not imaginary.



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14 Oct 2024, 1:03 am

bee33 wrote:
No, there are actual rules of usage that are not imaginary.


Perhaps there is some confusion if you didn't read my opening post?

I posted the thread title in the way I did because of the word limit for thread titles.

In the opening post it is clear that the full title of the thread should be:

"Are Chinese wives more obedient to their husbands versus their western counterparts?"

In which case, using the word 'more' is entirely appropriate.



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14 Oct 2024, 8:57 am

 ! Cornflake wrote:
It seems to me that the idea of discussing the relative merits of "obedience", in any relationship and any nationality (or gender, if it comes to it), is sexist by its very nature. It's also generalizing.

As was pointed out earlier, when you've met one Chinese woman you've... met one Chinese woman; the idea of quantifying the behavior of "Chinese wives" is unrealistic and speculative at best.

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