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"Equal", in the sense of gender, race, etc, does not mean "the same". If so, then a "black" person would be a "white" person because he is "black".

Take another example: The numbers 3 and 9 are equally useful, but they are different. Call them the same, and you have mathematical chaos. Call them different, and you have perfect clarity and functionality.
Also, few if any people would argue that 3 is a "better" number than 9, or vice versa.
They are equally valuable and functional, yet distinctly different.
And, they have plenty in common.
But they're still different.

In other words, believing in gender roles is not the same as believing in "inequality" (superior vs. inferior). Men and women are both wonderful creatures, but they are not the same. And what a beautiful, wonderful thing that they are not!

If they're talking about egalitarians, it would have been more honest to have stated that, instead of the more titillating term "feminists". I've seen other surveys that claim the opposite, and I'm suspicious of the motives of both sides.

What matters most, I would think, is that both partners are of the same mind. In most modern marriages I have seen, the wife holds the same reponsibilities she always did (as in all the housework, cooking, and the majority of child rearing responsibilities) except now she's also expected to pull in an income. Granted this is just what I've seen in the areas of the world where I've been, so I could be out of touch with the rest of the world. But it doesn't surprise me that egalitarians AND traditionalists fare better than the folks I've seen--better sex, more happiness, and a lower divorce rate. Everybody's happier when they consciously and deliberately agree on which responsibilities belong to whom instead of falling into a set of dysfunctional habits.

My understanding of social equality was never black=white or 3=9. It was "You have to pay everyone else the same as the white men if they're doing equivalent work."

Indeed, no one thinks 3=9, but that's the continual implication some people communicate when misusing the term "equal".
For instance, some people want everything to be "unisex", including bathrooms. Others want there to be no "feminine" garments of any kind. I'm talking about (somewhat) extremes here, because I need to start at the outer limits in order to identify some standard we can all agree on.
So: Who's offended by signs of "Men" and "Women" on bathrooms? (C'mon, we'll have someone here who says it's ridiculously sexist.)
Wrongplanet.net is at least 90% liberal now, so it's really gone downhill lately toward the innane, and at this point, I wouldn't mind if this site ceased to be. I had felt very strongly the opposite way a few months ago, but now it's degenerated to the point where people just aren't interested in serious discussion, or Wrongplanet for that matter (notice how few are on these days?), anymore, except newbies who want to find out the basics of Asperger Syndrome. Otherwise, this site is a total drag now.

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I, too, am routinely dissappointed with the quality of the vast majority posts, however, no one's forcing you or me to participate here.

Liberal means inane?



Sadly, certain actions drove a lot of
the most interesting posters away.
These kinds of things snowball.

I find it rather interesting to see how left wing aspies seem to tend to be from this site. I'm actually rather middle of the road but I find it much more fun to be conservative and politically incorrect on this board because when I do that it is almost me vs. the world/planet.

The America bashing by certain posters from Australia, NZ, Britain, and other places gets a little old after a while.

This board seems to be mostly atheist, too, and very closed minded when they hear anything they don't want to hear about religion. I have seriously considered posting a very preachy thread just to annoy them.

I used to try to partake in serious discussion here but I haven't really posted any serious discussion in my last few hundred posts unless I was trying to cheer someone up. I'm not even sure I've posted any real serious discussion since I've gotten back from my 4 month hiatus, maybe one time with AwesomelyGlorious.

Were these interesting posters driven away while I was away from WP calandale? I'm suer I remember some of the names.

I was wondering that as well.


What exactly do you mean by that? It looks to me that finding a lot of people opposing to your ideas and views on certain aspects and on certain places like the Love and Dating forum, which would probably be more suited to the PPR forum, that might drove you to think this way, and you seem to blame "liberals" for everything.

Heh. I just express my radical anti-human
beliefs everywhere. Funny thing is, here, they're
not completely seen as crazy.



I enjoy it. The US has put itself into a role in
the world where it is inevitable.



I don't know about the closed mindedness.
It's just hard to accept that people would
actually believe something as flimsy as
what most mainstream religions offer.




Some formed the nucleus of ZOMG. Some are at I2. Others,
I don't know. The crack downs really drove a lot of the life
out of the site. I was hoping that the return to leniency and
the 'pardons' would fix things, but I guess rebellion is too
strong a drug to quench, once started. Very similar to the
American Revolt, in a sense: once it started picking up steam,
the demands just got greater.

Same.

What exactly do you mean about openness, to be sure?

Free discussion really.

How about the other part of the quote [It was "You have to pay everyone else the same as the white men if they're doing equivalent work."]
What is the misuse of the term "equal" then?

Open your eyes and see what women are actually capable of doing when society let them persue their full potential without any prejudice whatsoever, they eventually have a lot of abilities and potential which was considered only a male thing, lots of years ago. See for yourself.

The danger I see with the gender role stereotypes is when it comes to some women and men, especially aspies who don't comply with that stuff, I surely can't do and always had problems with doing "manly" stuff, which I was supposedly designed for?


I thought about that before actually, which it looks extreme to you now that you mentioned it, but bathrooms being unisex, that probably wouldn't be bad, considering a lot of factors about human sexuality, which I know you don't like, probably that would be a good thing in that aspect, in the near future, just an idea though.

I was also thinking about professional sports, being mixed with both sexes, instead of just males, most of the time, and just the female version of them, that would mean even more equality. Such stuff that would end the "getting beat up by a girl" stereotype. But those are just certain ideas I have in my mind sometimes though. Probably this would sound more like an utopia.

I'm not sure that people can tell, but I actually mean it when I'm calling for the destruction of humanity.




The situation has nothing to do with it. It just gets shrill after a while. People say "f**k America" all the time, it's overused. If you really want to piss someone off say something like "f**k Africa."




I never said anything about mainstream religions, I don't take much stock in those, I consider fundamental atheism to be much closer to fundamental Christianity than any atheist would like to admit. I just said that atheists frequently have closed minds and are prickly about it which makes them fun to make fun of. Any atheist that rags on about human rights is one hell of a hypocrite, "wah, wah, kids are starving in Africa and dying of AIDS, I feel guilty even though I don't believe in God let's help them even though it has no benefit to me because it is the right thing to do." If you're an atheist, why would you try to do the right thing? What'll happen if you don't? Would you go to hell? That was a nasty thing of me to say, but then again, since when have I ever had anything nice to say...






There was a revolution and I wasn't here... Damn, just my luck. I'm assuming ZOMG is another AS forum?

And greenblue, I think unisex bathrooms would be a great idea. I could hit on chicks while taking a piss, what could be better than that? They make the women's leagues in basketball and American football because quite frankly, there are pretty much no women that would make the cut in the NFL or NBA. Maybe baseball or hockey...

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One can have morals and not follow a religion. The benefit could be feeling "good" because you did something helpful for someone else. Doing that sort of thing specifically for that feeling, that's not all that "good" (in my opinion, blah blah blah, disclaimer) either.

I'm not atheist, I'm simply not going to guess about what's out there and live my life trying to make the potentially wrong deity(or deities) unhappy. I will try to live my life to the best of my ability in a way that I consider to be "good." If that's not good enough for some all-powerful being, well, s**t, I tried. Just not for them.

Now who in the hell (that may or may not exist. ) managed to cause another thread to escape from PP&R?

Atheism only implies a disbelief in
God, not in some basic right or wrong.

I actually see most of the gods portrayed
in religion as fundamentally evil. Nor does
religion necessitate a god. So, one can certainly
be a religious atheist.

On a good day.

Usually, it just means lying.