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Phagocyte
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14 Feb 2008, 2:34 pm

With extreme age differences, it's pretty gross. I see it at my university a lot.

I think it has to do with girls overestimating their maturity level.


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14 Feb 2008, 3:08 pm

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With extreme age differences, it's pretty gross. I see it at my university a lot.

I think it has to do with girls overestimating their maturity level.


Besides the evolutionary thing , another reason of that is because that we live in a 'Gender roles' cultures :

A girl is always raised as she's more 'mature' than her male siblings.
- Parents buy barbie houses for their little girls to play with , parents buy baby dolls to little girls to babysit , parents encourage little girls to help mother to prepare the dinner table while little boys play with spaceships and dinosaurs toys bought by the same parents.

So there's a hidden pressure by parents on girls to be mature earlier than boys , girls are seen by parents as'mature' creatures and they need to learn the mother roles since babyhood , while little boys are seen as 'immature' creatures by parents that won't be mature till they have their first job and their own apartment.

Even at schools, that 'hidden pressure to maturity' on girls exists , teachers usually very discourage tomboyish acts in little girls and they usually yell more aggressively toward a girl who makes a single 'boyish act' (even the vocabulary is gender-roled) much more toward a boy who's making tons of boyish acts because a girl is supposed to act more like a "lady-like" (another gender-roled vocab).


Teen girls are biologically more mature than teen boys but the difference of maturity is only about 1 to 3 years maximum and not 10 years , saying that a 16 yo girl is mature as a 26 yo guy is rubbish but this idea is implemented in girls mind (and even in the whole society mind) by the society itself because of these gender roles' pressure effects.
That's why it's socially accepted to see a 26 yo guy dating a 16 yo while the inverse is refused.



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14 Feb 2008, 3:14 pm

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16 year old girls dating 21 year old guys. I'm not even entirely sure what it is about it, but it pisses me off nonetheless.
it is annoying. I dislike 16 year old girls who flirt with everyone but the quiet or aspie guys, 8)


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14 Feb 2008, 7:14 pm

I have a certain disdain for it; mostly because I see it as a pretentious fad - it's pretentiousness concealing something much less glamorous.

First thing, I never saw girls as a whole being more mature - I'm still seeing those teenybopper traits in girls around 30. . .

I think it generally happens precisely because they are not more mature than their age-peers.
The sexist mindset is then fulfilled in an older man with all which it implies. . . (more experienced, etc. . .)

An example of this is no less than my aunt; she's no genius; she's a bimbo almost 20 years younger than her husband. . . She's one of the most annoying hollow women I ever saw and my uncle is some resentful jock who alternately both bullies and comforts her and their daughters - with an obvious ego boost about it. . .
Sitting at the table with them or just being around the same house as they were always felt like being in some sort of ridiculous old-fasioned patriarchal POW camp - I had to cut those ties.

During my first day at uni - I had made an acquaintance and we were talking - two girls approached going like "hey guys. . . can we like. . . sit with you?". They did and a short while after they asked us our ages - turns out we were both 18 and they were 19 and 21 I recall. . . They went like "uh. . . oh. . ." and then somehow slipped away to sit with some older guys - they never spoke to us again. That's more like "I don't like your number, goodbye" rather than dating an older guy as the eventual result of not being comfortable with age-peers.

I guess if women felt like having sex every 20 minutes we'd be the ones making those weird choices. Personally, other than as the fad it is, a girl with a boyfriend is something I - on principle - am not concerned about. . . regardless the age.



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14 Feb 2008, 7:28 pm

Oh i'm sick of it too. I want all the older men for myself ;)

(30 year olds taht date 20 year olds)



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14 Feb 2008, 7:41 pm

OP: Relationships where the girl is much younger than the guy are so very standard, so you better get used to it.

The guy who posted about the evolutionary psychology bit is right. Purely in terms of sexual selection, guys are appreciating in value going from 20-30, and girls are depreciating in value from 20-30. A guy's ability to provide for a future family is growing as he works on his career and becomes more powerful. A girl's looks begin to drop off from 20-30, which guys use as a proxy for determining health and fertility.

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15 Feb 2008, 3:41 am

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At the end of the relationship he owed me money. And still does.


...so you were been fooled by an older loser guy ...bravo.



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15 Feb 2008, 4:30 am

You know, I also pretty sick of women going after older men. I can understand why teenage girls wanna date guys in their 20s but when I hear about some 20something woman hooking up with a man her fathers age I really thats just Creepy.
I happen to like older women, moreover I consider having an older gf to be bragging rights to your buddies.



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15 Feb 2008, 9:26 am

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At the end of the relationship he owed me money. And still does.


...so you were been fooled by an older loser guy ...bravo.


I wish I hadn't even dignified you with such a long response. You haven't bothered to seriously address any of it, you're just sniping.



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15 Feb 2008, 9:51 am

It's perfectly legal in Britain to do this so I can't say I really see the problem with it.



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15 Feb 2008, 10:02 am

You all seem to have some sort of stereotyped view of this, but I don't think as long as there is genuine emotion behind it there should be a problem. I've never dated or had a crush on someone my own age: when I was sixteen or seventeen I dated a girl in her early twenties, and my boyfriend now is four years older than me.

If it's for personal gain then it's repulsive, but it's personal choice and why would you want to be going out with someone that shallow anyway?


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15 Feb 2008, 10:17 am

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You all seem to have some sort of stereotyped view of this, but I don't think as long as there is genuine emotion behind it there should be a problem. I've never dated or had a crush on someone my own age: when I was sixteen or seventeen I dated a girl in her early twenties, and my boyfriend now is four years older than me.

If it's for personal gain then it's repulsive, but it's personal choice and why would you want to be going out with someone that shallow anyway?



Fair enough. But I do think it depends on the age and stage of life of the younger person because sometimes the maturity gap really gets in the way. If one partner is still a teenager then it can be frustrating for the older person because teenagers often dont really know what it is they want and are still figuring out who they are.



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17 Feb 2008, 4:57 pm

girls are more maturer than guys thats why.

given my maturaty level i have about the maturaty of a 14 year old girl :lol:


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17 Feb 2008, 5:01 pm

richardbenson wrote:
girls are more maturer than guys thats why.

given my maturaty level i have about the maturaty of a 14 year old girl :lol:


Wait, does that mean you have the maturity level of a 28 year old boy...

I'm getting a bit confused here... :?


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17 Feb 2008, 5:18 pm

well i am almost 28 but dont act like it im afraid :o


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17 Feb 2008, 5:21 pm

richardbenson wrote:
ell i am almost 28 but dont act like it im afraid :o


You just have a more evolved sense of maturity. Those others who are running businesses at 15, getting Phds at 17... they don't know the benefits of an extended childhood.


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