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D1nk0
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13 Apr 2008, 1:54 pm

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Why completely change what you say instead of just posting again? That's what I get for not quoting you...

I don't try at all to depict women as anything. That's your depictive processes working there, pal. But I ask you this, if women are so predicable, then why don't all the desperate guys on here (who are always saying they want a girlfriend) have girlfriends?

Yeah, some women will say that they like 'bad boys', and it's true that guys who march to their own beat are attractive, as that's a form of confidence. But slapping a label on yourself is not only lame, but it usually indicates that you're trying to be something you're not, ie covering up your insecurities. Thus self-professed bad-boys are usually anything but.


To answer your question-part of the reason they dont have girlfriends, in fact that MAJOR reason is that women are wired to find certain traits in men to be sexually attractive and the guys here do not posess those traits and so MOST women dont want them. If I were famous, such as if I were a rockstar theres NO DOUBT in my mind that I'd have scores of women trying to hook up with me. Its so obvious that good social skills are highly attractive to women and if you lack them you gotta make up for it.
As for myself, what Ive discovered is while most women arent into me, there are Some who actually ARE. Part of the problem for me is that such women are pretty rare and hard to find. The mating game operates on principles which closely parallel the economic principles of market dynamics.Might I add, Men are JUST as predictable too-dont get the impression that Im singling out women as being more predictable than men. Ive come to view humans as being exceedingly mechanical creatures who's behaviour is motived by a combination of internal drives.



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13 Apr 2008, 1:56 pm

I haven't really followed up on this thread. But I'm not really into the bad boy image espeacially in the media. I don't know what you mean by nice, I like the word respectful or thoughtful......doesn't have to be in that extreme if you know what I mean.

You know, I was about to post a topic similar to this, if it's a compliment to have ppl tell you your nice or if it's a polite way of saying you're boring and are weak in some ways. But I'm afraid I might get the answere that I don't want. So....I don't know.


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13 Apr 2008, 2:48 pm

RainKing wrote:
I get the impression that what people mean by "nice guy" is someone who is manipulative. I think I can be too nice, but that's out of a weakness of character (for lack of a better term) rather than an intent to act a certain way. I need to learn how to assert my interests so that I'm more likely when meeting a woman to be put in the "potential partner" category instead of the "cute, harmless guy" category.

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I don't see how those things relate to what I said, and no-one "becomes" gay, it's what you are.


I think that orientation can change. But that doesn't mean that it's all your choice.


For the most part, spot on. It IS good to be nice because no-one likes a total and complete jackass. However this is more behavior conditioned through various events in ones life that makes you (generally speaking) seek the approval of others (specifically women) and do everything you can to make others happy put them above yourself. On top of that most "nice guys" tend to not want to rock the boat and either be non-confrontational or leave information out that would be percieved as to not hurt the other person when in reality would help establish boundaries.

How it will get me a girlfriend is beyond me, but at least I have a starting point and some idea of what to do about this one girl I'm interested in who I've realized, care of this book, I allow her to walk all over me. Another female friend manages to not keep her word on occasion and I never spoke up about even though it bothers the ever living hell out of me, and I'm going to tell her.

Assertiveness. The book does not apply to me 100% (it goes on about sex and ones sex life, kinda hard to even contemplate having one when you have never kissed a girl right?) but what does seems to be quite useful to me.



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13 Apr 2008, 2:57 pm

This book is directed at Nice Guy NTs. Not aspie that are confused with them.



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13 Apr 2008, 3:26 pm

My psych teacher said women like jerks because it keeps the relationship exciting



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13 Apr 2008, 4:08 pm

^ As in all Women?


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13 Apr 2008, 6:44 pm

I don't like the look of it at all. Don't you see how painful this is going to get if books like this become successful?

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13 Apr 2008, 7:00 pm

All the nice guys I know are either married or in a marriage-like relationship. That's got to mean something.

It's hard to find nice guys who are single. I wonder if this is because they're all trying not to be nice in order to get more action or if the nice guys are really shy and therefore harder to find.

Anyway, I really do like nice guys and I really don't like to be treated badly. I just rejected a guy because he was acting out the "treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen" philosophy. Didn't work on me. (In fact, it was disgusting.)



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13 Apr 2008, 7:01 pm

women like "bad boys" because they are men who they feel like they couldn't get. There is a challenge. If a woman thinks she could walk up to you and make her yours in a second, she wouldn't want you.
And Nice guys don't put out that "You can't catch me" vibe.

Then again, don't take advice on women from me, i've never had a relationship.