Has the recession affected your dating?

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08 Feb 2009, 12:47 pm

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Why would the recession affect dating?

Because there are a lot of women who expect their boyfriends to have jobs and be making a decent income. Well, if you lost your job or can't find work during the recession, you can no longer afford to date.


Whatever happened to people caring about inner qualities?


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08 Feb 2009, 2:12 pm

Cyberman wrote:
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Why would the recession affect dating?

Because there are a lot of women who expect their boyfriends to have jobs and be making a decent income. Well, if you lost your job or can't find work during the recession, you can no longer afford to date.


*shakes head* Life doesn't stop because you're not working. Yes, there are many people - of both genders - who equate employment with stability... this doesn't mean you're not going to meet someone, or fall in love, or take a chance. By that logic, shouldn't the divorce rate be rising by extension as people deem their mates unworthy since they lost their job? Don't blame a materialistic culture; by giving it credence and power, you're only building a stereotype into an institution. One doesn't find a partner, a companion in life, just because they have a job, or make X number of dollars a year, or drive a certain car. Yes, you may attract someone as a result of these things - but is that really the person you want? My fiance and I are both broke (which is temporary... poor is a state of mind, isn't that how it goes? *chuckle*) and happy... try it sometime instead of being so cocksure that you know how everything works. This isn't directed as a personal barb at you, Cyberman, but in response to the constant and consistent negativity from the forum in general whenever someone has optimism, is an idealist, tries for something that may have been denied once to another person. It's sad, and it's depressing... all the moreso because people believe they're 'protecting' others by encouraging them to give up. That is simply deplorable to me.


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08 Feb 2009, 3:16 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
*shakes head* Life doesn't stop because you're not working. Yes, there are many people - of both genders - who equate employment with stability... this doesn't mean you're not going to meet someone, or fall in love, or take a chance.

No, but it sure as hell doesn't help. How many women would ever even CONSIDER a man who was unemployed? And now there are even men who think that way about women as well.

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By that logic, shouldn't the divorce rate be rising by extension as people deem their mates unworthy since they lost their job?

I thought the divorce rate WAS on the rise. And you know what they say about the 3 most common issues which result in divorce: money, sex, and the kids.

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Don't blame a materialistic culture; by giving it credence and power, you're only building a stereotype into an institution.

I'm just calling it like I see it... I'm not saying it's "right."

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One doesn't find a partner, a companion in life, just because they have a job, or make X number of dollars a year, or drive a certain car. Yes, you may attract someone as a result of these things - but is that really the person you want?

No, and that's one of the reasons why I'm giving up... I'd rather be myself than conform to some shallow standard of "boyfriend material."

Look, it's great that you and your fiance are together, but just because it worked so well for you doesn't mean it can work for everyone. I don't think it's very helpful to encourage idealism and unrealistic expectations. All it does is make people miserable when those expectations aren't met. You have to become happy being alone anyway... in order to be loved, you must first love yourself. Isn't that what all the relationship experts encourage? Isn't that what you encouraged? "You can't find security in the arms of another"?



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08 Feb 2009, 3:31 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
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Why would the recession affect dating?

Because there are a lot of women who expect their boyfriends to have jobs and be making a decent income. Well, if you lost your job or can't find work during the recession, you can no longer afford to date.


*shakes head* Life doesn't stop because you're not working. Yes, there are many people - of both genders - who equate employment with stability... this doesn't mean you're not going to meet someone, or fall in love, or take a chance. By that logic, shouldn't the divorce rate be rising by extension as people deem their mates unworthy since they lost their job? Don't blame a materialistic culture; by giving it credence and power, you're only building a stereotype into an institution. One doesn't find a partner, a companion in life, just because they have a job, or make X number of dollars a year, or drive a certain car. Yes, you may attract someone as a result of these things - but is that really the person you want? My fiance and I are both broke (which is temporary... poor is a state of mind, isn't that how it goes? *chuckle*) and happy... try it sometime instead of being so cocksure that you know how everything works. This isn't directed as a personal barb at you, Cyberman, but in response to the constant and consistent negativity from the forum in general whenever someone has optimism, is an idealist, tries for something that may have been denied once to another person. It's sad, and it's depressing... all the moreso because people believe they're 'protecting' others by encouraging them to give up. That is simply deplorable to me.


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*shakes head* you are such a wise man

*shakes head*

Do you have some form of Tourette syndrome or are you some former boxer? because man ...you shake head a lot.



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08 Feb 2009, 3:34 pm

Maybe because there's no "shaking head" emoticon? I've always wondered why most forums don't have one...



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08 Feb 2009, 8:08 pm

The recession has not affected my dating one bit. As an independent bachelor Aspie I wasn't having the chance to date, even in more buoyant times before the recession. I haven't had the chance during the recession. No difference.

Financial conditions do tend to affect relationships. The recession has caused more relationship strife and domestic disputes and is likely to cause more breakups and divorces. People are more likely to put off having kids. People are more likely to put off marriage.



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08 Feb 2009, 8:39 pm

It makes me it feel a bit more intimidating to ask out the girl I like because she might want me to have a job. Which is already a hugely intimidating task.

Since I've never had a GF though, I can't say that it's been affecting me.



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08 Feb 2009, 9:31 pm

Must be a situational type of thing, depending on what demographic you belong to.

Among most the people I know (between around 20 and 28 years of age, either in college or grad school) it seems that the recession has had absolutely no effect whatsoever on people dating and hooking up. That goes for both girls and guys. Although I'm sure it's a different story with older Wall Street investment bankers.

Generally, the youth will do what comes naturally to them, regardless of the ups and downs of the domestic economy.



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08 Feb 2009, 10:21 pm

Well my sister married my brother in law who never worked and lived in a car.

I'm not very fond of him only because my sister's done worked two jobs and he makes my mom do the babysitting while he goes out with his friends. I think most of this is stemmed from his heavy drinking.

Anyway, I'm not sure how this affects dating. People are different.

Some people really make it a big deal out of not having money while some just get by with what they can earn. I've known some girls who make it a habit of making their boyfriend do all the buying as if they're with a sugar daddy.


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08 Feb 2009, 10:28 pm

Less money to spend to go out for dinner, or treat the other half with a special date.



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08 Feb 2009, 11:12 pm

Cyberman, we just disagree fundamentally while still sharing some points. You do have to love yourself first... and I'd grown quite comfortable with the idea of staying single for the rest of my life. But I didn't shut the door on the possibility - and it seems to me that you're seeking the painful security of rejecting the potential of romance than the open wound of hope that may or may not heal. I can't fault you for that; the need for security is a strong desire and very understandable, and there are a lot of different types of hurt, some of which more bearable than others. Is it unrealistic to have hope, to take chances, to -not- give up because the first 3, 30 or 300 people you've talked to aren't the right match? I don't think so. As for the divorce rate, the last trend I saw was down - I cannot speak for the duration or whether that is still currently the case - but it had been steady around 50% for some time from what I recall. If you have more information, please do share? Yes, a job helps... but your opinion of self matters more, from what I have come to understand. If you give up, then what do you have to offer someone else? If you gave up on yourself, will another person believe that you will be there for them? Something to consider. Being comfortable being alone is one thing; the resignation to that state as fact another entirely.

LPP - it's the constant state of disbelief at the self-defeating processes I observe that leaves me shaking my head. Don't trouble yourself, just tends to happen in our common threads. Two different opinions, two different approaches, two different lives... you have my best wishes on managing your own.


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08 Feb 2009, 11:58 pm

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Apparently the recession has crippled the dating scene for investment bankers.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/05/recess ... eaves.html

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Will The Recession End Gold Digging?
Elisabeth Eaves, 02.06.09, 12:01 AM EST
Now it's an even worse idea to marry for money.

It looks like the economic downturn is producing a dating downturn too. At least this is true in financial centers like New York, where an unhealthily intimate bond between mating and money has persisted down the decades, from Edith Wharton through Candace Bushnell.

Maybe, finally, this recession will cut that bond, or at any rate do it some damage.

Yahoo! BuzzAnecdotal news has been trickling in: Female friends have related a sudden downturn in men making contact on Match.com, the dating Web site; another who was dating three investment bankers said she never heard from any of them again as soon as Lehman Brothers collapsed last September.

Then there are the DABA Girls--DABA stands for "dating a banker anonymous"--the blogging girlfriends of laid-off financial drones, who, Greek chorus-like, lament to the heavens that their gold-digging ways have come to a premature end. The writing is polished parody, but there are in fact actual banker-dating women behind the site. (The New York Times tracked them down.) In the same vein, the romance novel Hedge Fund Wives by Tatiana Boncompagni, to be published in May, tackles the recession via a protagonist whose husband leaves her for his mistress as his Wall Street career tanks. It's fiction, but the cultural moment it reflects is real.

Sane people of average incomes and healthy libidos may now be asking, who would stop coupling just because of a li'l old downturn? Don't we all now have more time for romance on our hands? The answer is, your ilk do not dominate New York social life. The dating downturn is affecting men and women for whom money, self-image and mating are inextricable from one another.

That's a bigger group than may at first be apparent, because the social values of money-chasing men and men-with-money-chasing women have an insidious way of creeping into society at large. For denizens of a city with a long bohemian tradition, middle and upper class New Yorkers are bizarrely regimented and old-fashioned in their approach to mating.

Countless times I've been asked to explain "dating" to friends from Europe or the West Coast: the scrutinizing rounds of drinks and dinners, the game-playing, the jockeying for some sort of advantage. There's something deeply unappealing about the way New York women adopt the language of contracts when it comes to romance, wanting "commitment" instead of love. One friend, a financial adviser with plenty of cash, told me it showed "respect" for her when a man paid for dinner. Which I've never quite understood: If charging for the pleasure of one's company begets respect, why don't prostitutes get more of it?

Just as that friend didn't need the money but felt her tab should be covered anyway, a male New York friend of middling income, an academic, told me that he gave up on online dating because it just got too expensive. On every first date, he offered to pay, as he felt was expected of him; usually, he was taken up on his offer. That adds up quickly.

In other words, at least until the fall of 2008 when banks started their disappearing act, the belief that mating requires a man to shake his wallet like so many peacock tail feathers was alive and well in New York.

Will that change now? As life strategies go, putting all of one's eggs in the "marry rich" basket has long been a bad idea. But now that male-dominated professions like finance are so widely in jeopardy, it's an even worse one. (More men have been laid off in the last six months than women.) This is not an ideological position so much as a practical one. Women's lifetime earnings are lower than men's on average because they leave the work force for long stretches. But we can't make an assumption that either (a) a marriage, or (b) a spouse's earning potential, are permanent. To do so is just bad planning, for oneself and one's children. The solution: Don't leave the workforce.

Moreover, who wants to go through life scheming over how to get someone else to support you, when it's much less stressful to figure out how to support yourself? Marry for money, and you'll earn every penny of it, as some wise woman once said. Men whose identity is tied up in having lots and lots of cash--as it tends to be, when someone works slavish hours at boring tasks for no reason other than extra zeros at the end of his paycheck--are tedious company. Loss of income then causes them to have identity crises, which can make them even less pleasant. Just as pretty women sometimes fail to develop much character, because they can get attention and advantage without it, so, too, do wealthy men.

Modern would-be gold diggers would do well to note that since women entered the workforce in large numbers, Americans have been returning to what sociologists call "assortive mating," that is, marrying within their own careers and income levels; doctors have the highest in-mating rate of any profession. In other words, the best way to mate with someone in job X is to also get that job yourself. And by the time you've done that, selling your charms to the highest bidder becomes a lot less attractive. You can bet that if William Makepeace Thackeray were writing Vanity Fair today, Becky Sharp would have set her sights on investment banking, not an investment banker.

For victims of the dating downturn, I'd like to end by recommending men who have not made a big income their life's goal--artists, writers, journalists, academics, musicians, coaches, teachers, etc. They can't take you to restaurants run by brand-name chefs or set you up with a clothing allowance, but they're not having identity crises. A starving artist last year is a starving artist today, only more confident, having been reassured that he made the right choice when he ignored parental urgings to go into some "secure" profession. These men have developed charm, domestic skills, empathy, maybe even some moral fiber. You just might find them so pleasant that you can walk away from dinner without feeling like you should have been paid for your time.




I cant think of any tangible reason why it would affect me but strangely, it appears to be doing just that....... :(