What are your thoughts on romantic love?

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01 Apr 2009, 9:31 am

EnglishLulu wrote:
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...why are chocolates important for romance? ...she can have chocoalates anytime. chocolate is just food.

why are flowers important to girls?

The importance isn't necessarily about the chocolates or the flowers, it's that old cliche 'it's the thought that counts'.



well she can not read my thoughts. if she could i would only need to think about fowers and chocolates. so you are correct i guess.

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Bringing chocolates or flowers or having flowers delivered by interflora are a romantic gesture, because the underlying message is: even when were apart I was thinking of you, thinking about you brings happy thoughts to mind, and because you make me happy I want to do something to bring a smile to your face and make you happy.

i guess that is a nice way to think. i liked her even when she was not around, but i forgot to "prove" it.
i do not see why i needed to prove it with inanimate objects really.

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8O You do realise, don't you, that you have quite peculiar eating habits?

Tbh, if I had worked hard to set a romantic scene, and you had been so inconsiderate and rude and obnoxious, I probably would have walked out too!


well "them's the breaks" huh?

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Being in a relationship often means compromise and sometimes doing things that you don't necessarily really like doing, just to make the other person happy. I'm not saying that a vegetarian should eat a steak to make their partner happy, but okay, so you usually like to see what you're eating, and the low light meant that the conditions weren't ideal. Would it have killed you to have eaten what was cooked?

i would not be able to put uninspected foods in my mouth without gagging.
it is not "romantic" to gag.

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And the whole thing with the separate plates, while you're eating with other people, can you not try to even have the different foods on different parts of the same plate?

no plates are big enough. if they were the size of a whole table then i would have no problem.
i can not overcome my revulsion for mixed foods for any reason.
i may feel bad that i have lost a friend after a rejected dinner, but i can not help it.

EnglishLulu wrote:
I understand the being fussy about kitchen cleanliness. I can't stand it when I go round to people's houses and I see that they wash their pots in a bowl of water with washing liquid, which ends up dirty, and they scrub a plate 'clean' and put it in the drying rack with dirty soap suds on it, instead of rinsing things first. 8O :cry:

i identify with that. when i go to a persons house that i am supposed to be having dinner at, i always go to their kitchen and see how old their sponges and dishcloths are that are responsible for cleaning the dishes i am expected to eat off, and if they have only one basin in their sink, i wonder whether they rinsed the plates. some people fill a single sink with warm water and use only that amount of water to clean all their plates and cutlery.
i have seen it. the water goes all murky, and they still wash more plates in it and then they just sit them in the rack to drain without any further rinsing.
i never stay for dinner if i assess the plates to be insufficiently clean, and i usually find some reason that i must suddenly go.

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If they offer me a cup of tea or some food, I'll say yes to be polite. Yes, I know it's not ideal, but it's really not going to kill me. You can overcome OCD-ish stuff like that. Hypnotherapy and other relaxation techniques are supposed to help. Part of me instinctively says sod it, people should just accept you and your quirks, and you should be able to do what you want. But another part of me says that you are missing out on so many pleasures by being so uptight.

but i would only be "uptight " if i was forced to eat it the way they presented it.
i do not know the pleasures i am missing out on, so i do not miss them.
i am not "uptight". it is the hosts that get uptight. i go home and forget about it instantly.
i leave them to do their mental "washing up".

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Being OCD-ish needn't necessarily be a problem, but when it's impacting on your life and preventing you from living normally, then I'd say it's a problem.

i know you think i have OCD but i do not. i was tested extensively for that when i was a child due to some of my idiosyncrasies that pointed in that direction.

i am not obsessed or compelled. i just can not adjust my appraisal of a circumstance based upon the reasoning of external wits.

my psychs found that i am blind to suggestion and influence, and that fitted an autistic description more accurately than an OCD description.

i was tested for compulsions,and obsessions, but, due to the fact that i had a long held and internally defined reasoning behind my motivations, i was not considered OCD.



EnglishLulu wrote:
While your lack of appreciation of the finer points of romance seem to be just that (although with a big spoonful of lack of empathy) your eating habits seem to me not just to fall into the realm of lack appreciation of what women consider to be 'romantic' (and a total failure to be empathetic or willing to compromise), but they do seem to veer into that OCD to the point of preventing a normal life territory.

but that is how i am (i am not OCD), and they should realize that before they attempt to prepare a meal and a romantic setting for my attendance. they should know that i am not capable of that level of communication, and when they do it anyway, i am disappointed that they are trying to extract something from me that i do not have in me. i am further disappointed when they think less of me because of things i can not overcome. i wish i could meet someone who had no background of expectation.


EnglishLulu wrote:
I mean, some people prefer their gravy on the side, some people prefer it over their meat, some people prefer it poured over everything, but most people wouldn't throw their food away if it wasn't served 'precisely' how they wanted it. That's extreme.

yes it is extreme, and if you left my company because of it, then you would never see any other things that you thought were good in me.
but i guess life is short, and my life takes too long to learn.

if you could leave because of idiosyncrasies i have, then you would leave because of irrelevant reasons.

i do not want anyone to love me except those who can forgive that i can not see their world like they do, and who can forgive that i have holes in my soul (where holes to not matter really (to me)).

i can love very much someone who likes me for all my foibles.



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01 Apr 2009, 1:56 pm

Romantic love/feelings in my case is usually very fleeting, with most people I've been involved with. It always mellowed into a more platonic type of thing which is why relationships generally do not work out for me (much to their confusion).


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01 Apr 2009, 3:09 pm

My idea of romantic love is a love that works both ways. Not just the man buying flowers but the woman doing things like that too. I use to by my ex dvd's or everytime i went into a shop i came out with a little treat for him it might have been just a choco bar but i might have been something else. Its the supprise i see on his face knowing that i have made him happy coz he got something and did not have to ask for it.

The whole thing with flowers in my point of view flowers are beautiful creations of mother nature. There are many symbolisms of flowers including:

Red roses are given as a symbol of love, beauty, and passion.
Daisies are a symbol of innocence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floriography

There are many meanings for flowers and us ladies know this.
It makes us feel special almost as if our man is saying that we are as beautiful as the flowers he has just brought.

It is not just flowers writing little notes and leaving them while the partner is out or off to work is very romantic. I use to leave my ex little notes hoewever he never seemed to spot them so must learn where to put them that is visable lol.

Even just doing little things like washing up or running a bath with candles. These are all romantic gestures and i know from experience make a woman (and man) feel loved, special, secure.

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01 Apr 2009, 3:52 pm

FLOWERS! YES! I looove flowers. Not crappy grocery store flowers but nice flowers. Any flowers really. Just give me flowers! :x


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01 Apr 2009, 4:53 pm

Romantic love for me is based on respect and deep connection. Associated emotions can be deep pain and obsession, but also euphoria and wholeness. I prefer it to be distant and unspoken, even though there can be much yearning. I take the feelings and the situation as they are and don't act on anything.



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02 Apr 2009, 1:43 am

I think I largely agree with Thomas Hardy on the subject of love. The sort of romance that is quick and passionate with long floaty words and candles and poetry and formality, I suppose more like courtly love, is something I don't get on so well with. The sort of love that is born from friendship and understanding (and maybe a little bit of physical attraction in there too) is the closest to what I have experienced. I'm not so good at the whole romantic thing.



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02 Apr 2009, 2:29 am

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well, I assume that that aspect from a man would seem to turn off few women, though perhaps not all, I suppose few of them wouldn't really mind, though probably the ones who are not into pop culture romantic stuff, and given that it looks like aspie stereotypes, it could be a problem, in a relationship and about getting a date, at least I have assumed that, which I honestly wonder, how someone like that can even get a girlfriend in the first place?

I may have some of that, but I don't believe to be to an extreme, though the idea of having a romantic relationship to be pointless is one of them, which, if most of what you say would be that pointless for me as it is for you, (flowers, chocolate, dinner, etc) then I would think of having a girlfriend to be the same as pointless as well, and I do wonder what would be your thoughts about having a "romantic" partner in the first place. And that is what I have gotten in mind, in the end, that it seems actually pointless, only for satisfying sexual chemical impulses, which would be all, from my perspective.


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02 Apr 2009, 8:13 am

For me real love is mutual and not one sided, you feel as if you know that one person like the back of your hand, they don't need to give you loads of presents for you to feel appreciated.

I am a very "romantic" person but all I need now is someone to share it with.


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