Why are some females so nasty?

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09 May 2009, 9:22 pm

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Not to change the subject, but it's sort of on topic, anyway. Toad, first off, nice signature. :(

It was previously my member title above my avatar before I changed it to the Eve one. I coined it because it described my particular condition (although it also applies to many people here)... There's no other way around it... I've seen guys fatter AND nerdier than me get girlfriends before... Hell, even my LFA brother who can't speak has something passing for a girlfriend... There's just no conceivable other excuse I can concoct to explain why I fail when so many others in worse-off conditions succeed...

That said, I would offer to relieve you of your love problems in exchange for likewise, if only I didn't have my geographical requirements and you didn't have your "dream" ones... Alas...

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Second, you've had that Eve icon for a while, which is funny because everyone who sees that movie and knows me says she's me. I have to agree. It fits with the topic because she's a rather moody, cold and calculating b***h at first, then remains moody, but has a heart of gold.

I made a working 3d model of Eve for my... uh... 3d modeling class...


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As for calling her a cam whore, it only fights fire with fire. She may have been in the wrong, but the best thing to do is to keep your cool and not fight back, as far as I've ever learned. That tends to be ten times more effective in a lot of cases.

I also learned this the hard way. There was this one woman I knew that was, for all intents and purposes, diametrically opposed to me in terms of political opinion (which is a rather improbable happening in and of itself since I don't really ascribe to any one political ideology entirely)... Anyway, I learned after a particularly nasty political argument to not escalate it, but rather divert to other issues, since outside the political spectrum, we were actually quite agreeable, and she never "shot first", as it were, when it came to political issues, but only went on if provoked...



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09 May 2009, 10:37 pm

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As for calling her a cam whore, it only fights fire with fire. She may have been in the wrong, but the best thing to do is to keep your cool and not fight back, as far as I've ever learned. That tends to be ten times more effective in a lot of cases.

I also learned this the hard way. There was this one woman I knew that was, for all intents and purposes, diametrically opposed to me in terms of political opinion (which is a rather improbable happening in and of itself since I don't really ascribe to any one political ideology entirely)... Anyway, I learned after a particularly nasty political argument to not escalate it, but rather divert to other issues, since outside the political spectrum, we were actually quite agreeable, and she never "shot first", as it were, when it came to political issues, but only went on if provoked...[/quote]

Well said. I think this definitely illustrates my point.

As for dream requirements, I hate them.



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10 May 2009, 12:54 am

The reason why many women, especially the young ones, are so nasty is because they're insecure. Plain and simple.
People who are insecure often cultivate big egoes and enjoy finding faults and weaknesses in others and striking at them to stroke their own fragile egoes. Guys do PUH-LEN-TY of this sh1t in grade school and somewhat in college(depending on what school you're at and what kind of people they are)but usually grow out of it by the time they're in their mid 20s. Young women feel threatened by guys in general and so they try to be as nasty as they can to make themselves look powerful.

In a nutshell: Rudeness is a weak persons way of immitating strength.



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10 May 2009, 1:45 am

Orbyss wrote:
Well said. I think this definitely illustrates my point.

I'm just saying, sometimes you have to overlook the issues you have with someone, especially if they're relatively minor in the grand scheme of things...

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As for dream requirements, I hate them.

Well, in the spirit of overlooking issues... :P

At least you're not like me in this regard... I've never had a single coherent dream in my life... all the dreams I have make absolutely no sense at all... it's just one random element to the next with no plot... kinda like a Family Guy episode...



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10 May 2009, 2:11 am

Ok so I'm only responding to original post...

Some women are awful some aren't I've met plenty that treat me like crap at the smallest offense and never let it go not ever. And I've also met women who don't care about me or what I do (far fewer but that's got nothing to do with them really) anyway some people are just bad people and you can't let them bother you too much. Stay away from the mean ones and do what I do ignore them outright even if they are talking and standing right in your face ignore them and turn around and walk off w/o looking them in the eye. If it's at work tell your superior if they are your superior tell theirs or change jobs. Most people are nice they just don't stand out as much as horrible people do.


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10 May 2009, 2:17 am

I actually dreamt a Family Guy episode once. This is the first time I've admitted this publicly. Maybe I should sell it to Seth himself because it was pretty damn good, actually. And, just like the real thing, it wasn't funny in the slightest.

OOOOOH, BURN.

Ok, I'm tired and it's Saturday night, I promised I wouldn't hijack another thread and let my ADHD take me away to anything other than what I should be working on.



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10 May 2009, 7:27 am

I get along better with girls than with guys, i am more at-ease around girls than guys (sounds weird) but only as long as there's nothing that messes with deep or sexual feelings, i can do some small talk with females, i can't do small talk with males, cause them males usually only talk about sports or females -_- (well, mostly)

About being nasty to me or something, well, it's the same thing on both sides, some people are OK, others are not, gender doesn't change a thing



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10 May 2009, 11:36 am

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Women have always either treated me like crap or seen me as "just a friend." Though there was one time at work a married woman wanted me - she was quite good looking but I'm not going there. When I wouldn't do it she hit me so hard I had a bruise on my arm for like 3 weeks. She quit the job like a month later.


Oh, yeah, she wanted you to be evil, didn't she? The evil!


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10 May 2009, 2:24 pm

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I actually dreamt a Family Guy episode once. This is the first time I've admitted this publicly. Maybe I should sell it to Seth himself because it was pretty damn good, actually. And, just like the real thing, it wasn't funny in the slightest.

OOOOOH, BURN.

Sometimes I think Seth's comedy could be improved if he had a direct feed to my subconscious... beats having a bunch of manatees doing the work, anyway...

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Ok, I'm tired and it's Saturday night, I promised I wouldn't hijack another thread and let my ADHD take me away to anything other than what I should be working on.

It's quite all right... I'm as guilty as you are at this... anyway, if you want to continue this discussion, feel free to send a PM...



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10 May 2009, 5:27 pm

Most of the women who I've known socially haven't been all that nice to me either. I've always been considered 'just a friend' to them.
Still, I can't come up with a serious answer to why women can be so nasty. The only answer that pops up in my head seems to be "Because their name happens to be Morgan Webb" :wink: :lol:

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11 May 2009, 4:46 am

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I have a nasty streak a mile wide and three miles long, and I don't like it. Thing is, I'm aware of it, and I have been since I can remember. It's difficult to fight at points, especially during certain times of the month, but I still recognize it.

With that insight, and all the women I've known, I'd say it's in-built and innate. Women have their own tier of hierarchy, for the most part, and they way it's handled is different than the way it is for men. We're 'underhanded,' I guess you could say, as opposed to the more visual, brutish displays in which men are more likely to partake. Quite simply, I'm sure it reflects biology, and the fact women have to be more careful in general, have less physical impact, yet remain as near the top as they can for resources. That's just the first thing that comes to mind.

Then, of course, there's the whole issue of having to be pickier about mates and the like. Now, I've not really witnessed what you described, but it would seem that women who want higher positions would pick on what they perceive to be the weakest males, of course all the while backed by their jocks or other higher ranking men. It's a way to diffuse their own hierarchical insecurities.

I have a hard time intuitively grasping hierarchies, and so I have noticed that, although I have the drive to be aggressive and underhandedly nasty, it comes out differently than it does for other women. I tend also to be more honest. But I remember going through this stuff at school, and it did occasionally seep in intuitively as well, probably thanks to otherwise intact social intuition. I learned quickly what it was all about just to keep my head above water.

All that aside, though, if you're outright insulting women, you're going to get it right back in your face. Whether or not the woman you called a 'camwhore' is or not, the word is still insulting and you're going to get a barrage of insults and defensiveness back at you. Can you really blame her? I would handle it differently myself, in a much more subtle manner, but when I get that from guys there's no doubt I have a negative reaction. You should probably try to understand this part of it, because you may be invoking the nastier side of women regardless due to your lack of understanding and resultant faux pas.


Us men just don't get it now do we? :roll:



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11 May 2009, 11:09 am

Toad, I miss the Shatner "Khaaaaan!" profile pic you had, Eve seems too femme for you.

I still dispute the characterization here that women want "perfect abs and a perfect personality." This is coming from guys (not Toad, who already mentioned he knows fat and nerdy guys with GF's) that either don't know enough couples or women in general. Rest assured that looks, while important initially for some teenage girls, quickly lose priority in terms of other things for adult women. I myself am pretty good looking and was in great shape at one point (and not in terrible shape now), but my issues and bad dressing screwed up a lot of chances. And yes, they do look for social competence, but some women are more willing to overlook this than others.

I will agree to some of the princess talk. I think here in the U.S., a lot of upper-middle class women get to eat their cake and have it to -- they expect to have the career, but also have the family (but not actually have to raise the kid or clean after him or her) and take 4 months for maternity leave while everyone else does their work for them. They expect to not have to do housework or cook, yet still not take on a lot of the masculine tasks (like fixing things around the house, mowing the lawn, etc.) that men do. There's definitely been a perversion in the message we've told certain groups in the U.S. (including some minority groups, but that's a different topic) about reality and how the world actually works.

For men that feel as I do above, I recommend looking to a wife outside of this culture. Someone from Latin America, Asia, Eastern Europe -- all tend to have more traditional outlooks on gender roles than women in the States or Western Europe/UK. The former tend to be able to cook (having learned it from their mothers and grandmothers), are more deferential to their husbands, and actually have some skills around the house.

Btw, I speak from experience -- my sisters certainly had the spoiled, princess upbringing. While I was doing more yardwork than most Mexican gardeners as a teenager, they lounged around the house. After college, I worked to support myself and my wife, while they went on trips to Europe and Australia. Fast forward to now, both are near 30, neither are married, and now reality is hitting that they need to sweeten the value proposition to get a husband. There's a lot of competition out there for husbands from women who have domestic skills and a realistic and family-conducive outlook. And in a cosmopolitan area like mine, men are a lot more likely to go for an Asian woman or hispanic one, rather than settle for a spoiled white one.



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11 May 2009, 12:10 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
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in Wall-E, Eva picked that idiot garbage dreamy robot:

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In real life, Eva would pick:

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or this:
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again, it's an awesome movie nevertheless....



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11 May 2009, 12:22 pm

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Toad, I miss the Shatner "Khaaaaan!" profile pic you had, Eve seems too femme for you.

Like I was saying to Orbyss, I made that Eve picture (and a corresponding desktop wallpaper size) in 3d modeling... that is effectively my creation...

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I will agree to some of the princess talk. I think here in the U.S., a lot of upper-middle class women get to eat their cake and have it to -- they expect to have the career, but also have the family (but not actually have to raise the kid or clean after him or her) and take 4 months for maternity leave while everyone else does their work for them. They expect to not have to do housework or cook, yet still not take on a lot of the masculine tasks (like fixing things around the house, mowing the lawn, etc.) that men do. There's definitely been a perversion in the message we've told certain groups in the U.S. (including some minority groups, but that's a different topic) about reality and how the world actually works.

Ironically, I picked up a lot more of the "feminine" gender role in terms of doing stuff around the house. I'm a decent cook, do laundry/dishes a lot, etc. There are a lot of the more masculine-role traits I have as well, such as being the tech support for the house, knowing a little about cars, and just fixing stuff in general... but you sure as hell better not ask me to mow the lawn (or any kind of yard work) or use the grill... with my issue with bees and all, it would be incredibly unpleasant... I wouldn't mind doing those things as night, when bees aren't out, but those activities are usually done during the day...

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For men that feel as I do above, I recommend looking to a wife outside of this culture. Someone from Latin America, Asia, Eastern Europe -- all tend to have more traditional outlooks on gender roles than women in the States or Western Europe/UK. The former tend to be able to cook (having learned it from their mothers and grandmothers), are more deferential to their husbands, and actually have some skills around the house.

I was thinking just Europe in general... the only issue there is that there's a lot of Europeans that are openly anti-christian. While I respect that they have their own beliefs (even if I disagree with those beliefs), it doesn't make for good compatibility... I don't need someone with the same belief set as my own, but I do need someone who will let me pursue my own beliefs and not try to convert me to something else...

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Btw, I speak from experience -- my sisters certainly had the spoiled, princess upbringing. While I was doing more yardwork than most Mexican gardeners as a teenager, they lounged around the house. After college, I worked to support myself and my wife, while they went on trips to Europe and Australia. Fast forward to now, both are near 30, neither are married, and now reality is hitting that they need to sweeten the value proposition to get a husband. There's a lot of competition out there for husbands from women who have domestic skills and a realistic and family-conducive outlook. And in a cosmopolitan area like mine, men are a lot more likely to go for an Asian woman or hispanic one, rather than settle for a spoiled white one.

Does having domestic skills increase a man's value as well, or just women? That may be the one barganing chip that I have in life...



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11 May 2009, 12:24 pm

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In real life, Eva would pick:

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or this:
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Battlemechs aren't sentient, they're piloted... Try something like Megatron...


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again, it's an awesome movie nevertheless....

agreed...



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11 May 2009, 12:41 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:
In real life, Eva would pick:

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or this:
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Battlemechs aren't sentient, they're piloted... Try something like Megatron...


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again, it's an awesome movie nevertheless....

agreed...



hmmm....true :lol: or like Optimus Prime.