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02 Aug 2012, 2:14 am

well, you claim youd have an easier time with a girl That must mean either
1- women are weak (to which you and the entire army would try and rip me a new one)
2- that men must be some big terrible things (no new butthole)

or my personal answer
A- theres a damn equal chance.



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02 Aug 2012, 2:16 am

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are you saying that you would be wary of all men and women in that situation?


If I'm in a park at 3 am and there's a woman there by herself I am immediately going to be suspicious because it's far out of the ordinary, if she starts moving in my direction, I am going to start jogging the other way. Because I would be thinking she's an accomplice for someone else, a distraction. It's just too out of the ordinary, women just do not go in parks alone at 3am, let alone approach people there, it can't mean anything good if you see that. Even scarier: a little old lady. Then you're in Twilight Zone territory.

yeah, i wouldn't actually go and talk to someone in the dark myself. i was getting at the concept of situational discrimination, which makes logical sense. but i would worry less about my safety around a woman in general though - due to the statistical likelihood that she isn't a lot stronger than me. men are more likely to have greater physical strength.


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02 Aug 2012, 2:18 am

MXH wrote:
well, you claim youd have an easier time with a girl That must mean either
1- women are weak (to which you and the entire army would try and rip me a new one)
2- that men must be some big terrible things (no new butthole)

or my personal answer
A- theres a damn equal chance.

for the fourth time, you are drawing your own conclusions. at no time did i say any of those things. :shrug:


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02 Aug 2012, 2:22 am

hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
well, you claim youd have an easier time with a girl That must mean either
1- women are weak (to which you and the entire army would try and rip me a new one)
2- that men must be some big terrible things (no new butthole)

or my personal answer
A- theres a damn equal chance.

for the fourth time, you are drawing your own conclusions. at no time did i say any of those things. :shrug:


Thats ok, i gave up explaining something to you after the 5th time. you said it would be easier to fend off a woman, Im giving the possible scenarios to that situation and showing how either they dont follow your beliefs, or you dont want to admit the possibilities.



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02 Aug 2012, 2:23 am

MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
well, you claim youd have an easier time with a girl That must mean either
1- women are weak (to which you and the entire army would try and rip me a new one)
2- that men must be some big terrible things (no new butthole)

or my personal answer
A- theres a damn equal chance.

for the fourth time, you are drawing your own conclusions. at no time did i say any of those things. :shrug:


Thats ok, i gave up explaining something to you after the 5th time. you said it would be easier to fend off a woman, Im giving the possible scenarios to that situation and showing how either they dont follow your beliefs, or you dont want to admit the possibilities.

those conclusions are yours, not mine. you are attempting to draw conclusions out of thin air.

if you gave up, then why are you still here?


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02 Aug 2012, 2:25 am

hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
well, you claim youd have an easier time with a girl That must mean either
1- women are weak (to which you and the entire army would try and rip me a new one)
2- that men must be some big terrible things (no new butthole)

or my personal answer
A- theres a damn equal chance.

for the fourth time, you are drawing your own conclusions. at no time did i say any of those things. :shrug:


Thats ok, i gave up explaining something to you after the 5th time. you said it would be easier to fend off a woman, Im giving the possible scenarios to that situation and showing how either they dont follow your beliefs, or you dont want to admit the possibilities.

those conclusions are yours, not mine. you are attempting to draw conclusions out of thin air.

if you gave up, then why are you still here?


Then Answer me. Why is a woman easier for you to fend off? I already gave the possibilities. Just accept it, you dug a hole and now cant get out.



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02 Aug 2012, 2:28 am

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Then Answer me. Why is a woman easier for you to fend off? I already gave the possibilities. Just accept it, you dug a hole and now cant get out.


Women are generally smaller and less powerful, physically.

Yes they could have a weapon but so could a man, so that's an equal value there, in terms of threat assessment. Equal values cancel each other out in a comparison. You're only looking at differences, and the only difference in terms of threat is that men are more powerful physically. Ergo, the threat is not equal in value.



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02 Aug 2012, 2:29 am

MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
well, you claim youd have an easier time with a girl That must mean either
1- women are weak (to which you and the entire army would try and rip me a new one)
2- that men must be some big terrible things (no new butthole)

or my personal answer
A- theres a damn equal chance.

for the fourth time, you are drawing your own conclusions. at no time did i say any of those things. :shrug:


Thats ok, i gave up explaining something to you after the 5th time. you said it would be easier to fend off a woman, Im giving the possible scenarios to that situation and showing how either they dont follow your beliefs, or you dont want to admit the possibilities.

those conclusions are yours, not mine. you are attempting to draw conclusions out of thin air.

if you gave up, then why are you still here?


Then Answer me. Why is a woman easier for you to fend off? I already gave the possibilities. Just accept it, you dug a hole and now cant get out.

there is no hole, and i already explained it several times. but i can elaborate. on average, men are stronger than women because they generally have greater muscle mass. each muscle fibre is equally strong in each gender, but men usually have more of the fibres overall. i should add that on average, they also have greater reach, and also greater leverage in their joints. it isn't universal or absolute, but statistically i have a greater likelihood of being able to fend off a female than a male. perhaps if i was a super-strong female this would not apply, but i am not.

at no time have i said that women are "weak" or that men are "big terrible things". your hyperbole is growing to nonsense proportions.


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02 Aug 2012, 2:33 am

hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
well, you claim youd have an easier time with a girl That must mean either
1- women are weak (to which you and the entire army would try and rip me a new one)
2- that men must be some big terrible things (no new butthole)

or my personal answer
A- theres a damn equal chance.

for the fourth time, you are drawing your own conclusions. at no time did i say any of those things. :shrug:


Thats ok, i gave up explaining something to you after the 5th time. you said it would be easier to fend off a woman, Im giving the possible scenarios to that situation and showing how either they dont follow your beliefs, or you dont want to admit the possibilities.

those conclusions are yours, not mine. you are attempting to draw conclusions out of thin air.

if you gave up, then why are you still here?


Then Answer me. Why is a woman easier for you to fend off? I already gave the possibilities. Just accept it, you dug a hole and now cant get out.

there is no hole, and i already explained it several times. but i can elaborate. on average, men are stronger than women because they generally have greater muscle mass. each muscle fibre is equally strong in each gender, but men usually have more of the fibres overall. i should add that on average, they also have greater reach, and also greater leverage in their joints. it isn't universal or absolute, but statistically i have a greater likelihood of being able to fend off a female than a male. perhaps if i was a super-strong female this would not apply, but i am not.

at no time have i said that women are "weak" or that men are "big terrible things". your hyperbole is growing to nonsense proportions.


it does sound like a mixture of women weak, men big and bad to me. But seeing as you're too stubborn to get the same point from 3 different people I do agree with what you said. Why do i even bother trying



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02 Aug 2012, 2:35 am

edgewaters wrote:
MXH wrote:
Then Answer me. Why is a woman easier for you to fend off? I already gave the possibilities. Just accept it, you dug a hole and now cant get out.


Women are generally smaller and less powerful, physically.

Yes they could have a weapon but so could a man, so that's an equal value there, in terms of threat assessment. Equal values cancel each other out in a comparison. You're only looking at differences, and the only difference in terms of threat is that men are more powerful physically. Ergo, the threat is not equal in value.

thank you for that explanation. i think i am being unclear.


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02 Aug 2012, 3:22 am

Seeing as I haven't lost sleep over this topic like some, and have just woken up, I'm going to say from what I'm reading the portrayal definitely looks like it is based on the assumption women are weaker, easier to fend off and men are a physically tougher adversary simply by association.

There really is no point dillydallying around the semantics or meaning. What was said was said, and I would expect the person who said it to at least be grown up to admit it. It's OKAY to assume things. Your character isn't being hung up to dry. But it will be if you say something fairly presumptuous then pretend you didn't.

edgewaters has the most sensible contributions over the last few pages. Thank the predators for creating the fear in the first place. And just because 2 situations exist (men getting butthurt, and women needing to be more vigilant than Alex Jones) doesn't mean one should have to "win" here. One problem is bigger yes, but the other still exists and a mature human being in the right circumstances would also consider their conduct towards another person.

Now please folks, enough of the who said whats and what did one means. We're all adults here, we know exactly who said what and what everyone meant. Everyone's explained themselves enough and if people can't live with people pointing out the flaws in their logic or the discrimination they subconsciously hold then it's their loss.



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02 Aug 2012, 3:25 am

hyperlexian wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
MXH wrote:
Then Answer me. Why is a woman easier for you to fend off? I already gave the possibilities. Just accept it, you dug a hole and now cant get out.


Women are generally smaller and less powerful, physically.

Yes they could have a weapon but so could a man, so that's an equal value there, in terms of threat assessment. Equal values cancel each other out in a comparison. You're only looking at differences, and the only difference in terms of threat is that men are more powerful physically. Ergo, the threat is not equal in value.

thank you for that explanation. i think i am being unclear.


I think you'll find less powerful could also mean weaker. I say could out of politeness.



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02 Aug 2012, 3:28 am

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Seeing as I haven't lost sleep over this topic like some, and have just woken up, I'm going to say from what I'm reading the portrayal definitely looks like it is based on the assumption women are weaker, easier to fend off and men are a physically tougher adversary simply by association.

There really is no point dillydallying around the semantics or meaning. What was said was said, and I would expect the person who said it to at least be grown up to admit it. It's OKAY to assume things. Your character isn't being hung up to dry. But it will be if you say something fairly presumptuous then pretend you didn't.

edgewaters has the most sensible contributions over the last few pages. Thank the predators for creating the fear in the first place. And just because 2 situations exist (men getting butthurt, and women needing to be more vigilant than Alex Jones) doesn't mean one should have to "win" here. One problem is bigger yes, but the other still exists and a mature human being in the right circumstances would also consider their conduct towards another person.

Now please folks, enough of the who said whats and what did one means. We're all adults here, we know exactly who said what and what everyone meant. Everyone's explained themselves enough and if people can't live with people pointing out the flaws in their logic or the discrimination they subconsciously hold then don't berate them just pity them.

yes, on average women AREN'T as strong as men. i said that over and over, so i can't say i appreciate you characterising my posts as "dilly-dallying" or implying that i am not grown up. that's not exactly a fair statement, given what i have explained multiple times.

what it DOESN'T mean is that ALL women are weak, or that ALL men are big beasts, which for some reason MXH was concluding from my statements.


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02 Aug 2012, 3:38 am

I guess the thing is Hyper, from my point of view:

If you are a 5ft girl, and a woman who is 5'6ft (average hgeight for a woman, as far as I know) approaches you at 2 am or whatever, there is such a small and magrinal difference in terms of strength and you having more of a chance bewteen a guy of 5'6ft approaching you.

If you judge by context: You should avoid both of them, due to the situation itself.

But to argue to allow a woman to approach rather than a man, on such a small and marginal difference makes no sense to me.
(I'm not saying you are, but feeling safer if it was a woman than a man, if they had 6 inches on you isn't going to make that much of a difference at the end of the day, is it?)

I understand it's rare to end up with such a choice, and yes men on average are bigger than women, but when you're as small as I am, the question is merely a matter of how much bigger - no matter which gender it is.


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02 Aug 2012, 3:39 am

hyperlexian wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
Seeing as I haven't lost sleep over this topic like some, and have just woken up, I'm going to say from what I'm reading the portrayal definitely looks like it is based on the assumption women are weaker, easier to fend off and men are a physically tougher adversary simply by association.

There really is no point dillydallying around the semantics or meaning. What was said was said, and I would expect the person who said it to at least be grown up to admit it. It's OKAY to assume things. Your character isn't being hung up to dry. But it will be if you say something fairly presumptuous then pretend you didn't.

edgewaters has the most sensible contributions over the last few pages. Thank the predators for creating the fear in the first place. And just because 2 situations exist (men getting butthurt, and women needing to be more vigilant than Alex Jones) doesn't mean one should have to "win" here. One problem is bigger yes, but the other still exists and a mature human being in the right circumstances would also consider their conduct towards another person.

Now please folks, enough of the who said whats and what did one means. We're all adults here, we know exactly who said what and what everyone meant. Everyone's explained themselves enough and if people can't live with people pointing out the flaws in their logic or the discrimination they subconsciously hold then don't berate them just pity them.

yes, on average women AREN'T as strong as men. i said that over and over, so i can't say i appreciate you characterising my posts as "dilly-dallying" or implying that i am not grown up. that's not exactly a fair statement, given what i have explained multiple times.

what it DOESN'T mean is that ALL women are weak, or that ALL men are big beasts, which for some reason MXH was concluding from my statements.


Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't it have been easier to just say to MXH "I'm saying I feel on average women are weaker than men not that every single one is and vice versa about the men being stronger and more dangerous." if a few extra pages skirting around this issue instead of addressing it head on with a small post like that isn't dillydallying, then I don't know what is!

EDIT: I'd like to add I agree with Kjas, a person approaching me at 3AM is a person approaching me at 3AM. It's weird. Cautious people avoid each other at night when alone. Being a man or a woman doesn't make the situation any less stranger nor does it make the potential creep any less hostile. I think we are going past "creep" territory with this though because the creep factor is not being applied to the persons any more but the situation.



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02 Aug 2012, 3:40 am

Kjas wrote:
I guess the thing is Hyper, from my point of view:

If you are a 5ft girl, and a woman who is 5'6ft approaches you at 2 am or whatever, there is such a small and magrinal difference in terms of strength and you having more of a chance bewteen a guy of 5'6ft approaching you.

If you judge by context: You should avoid both of them, due to the situation itself.

But to argue to allow a woman to approach rather than a man, on such a small and marginal difference makes no sense to me.
(I'm not saying you are, but feeling safer if it was a woman than a man, if they had 6 inches on you isn't going to make that much of a difference at the end of the day, is it?)

no, in various tests men come out to about 40%-50% stronger than women on average in their upper bodies. that is a huge difference.


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