applying pickup skills in real life - an example

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Did you read the whole thread?

I did, and I have read most of a book by neil strauss. It is just about being able to manipulate girls into having sex with them.

I am glad i read this post though, I now want to learn about NLP

You mean "The Game"? I've read it too.
I've also read "The Mystery Method: How to get beautiful women into bed".

Now that I'm finally in a place where my mind isn't fogged by severe depression I plan on studying and applying these methods more seriously, I understand them mostly in essence.
And NLP looks interesting as well.

I read on another site an counter argument for the PUA stuff. Women are allowed to dress in a way to attract attention, wear makeup to hide imperfections, arguably have the hand in getting to accept or reject someone. Why cant the guys have any tools for the job?

i would like to address this idea that PUA 'teachings' are inherently bad. this is a complete and total fallacy. attacking the oh-so-broad subject of PUA's is effectively attacking a straw man. there are MANY things EACH ONE OF US could learn from some of their teachings. ofc not all of it will be accurate, you have to expect that going into it, and use your own brain, just like with anything else you are learning. i bet aspies need this type of help EVEN MORE because they typically dont know how to interact 'normal', and if you arent trying to act 'normal' then you've considerably dropped your chances of having any sort of relationship work out. this doesnt mean you cant 'be yourself', it just means you cant do massive social awkward fails, and have to be aware of, and 'play around' many of the situations even NT's have troubles with. i still come off as a quirky nerd, but i do it in a more controlled manner, and am generally more aware of blunders i could be making, so i can easily avert them.

personally? ive learned how to approach girls. because of this knowledge, ive started approaching girls, and i feel a whole helluva lot better about myself as a direct result, mostly because they seem to reciprocate. in the time that ive started paying attention to this type of PUA 'nonsense' ive learned an incredible amount about girls, interacting with girls, people, and interacting with people. i've learned so much through this resource, and so can you guys. i know i'll continue to research this area from time to time.

Im very curious as to all the hate given here to this topic. Considering theres so many things about it that you cant blanket hate it completely.

Necrothread. What brought this up?

Everything that the OP has mentioned--everything--comes from ONE of HUNDREDS of different schools of thought on the topic of learning how to increase success with women. All the people he mentioned--Mystery, Lovedrop, Neil Strauss--not only think alike, but work at the same company (or did at some point).

As someone who's studied many different methods and applied little things here and there from many of them, I can say from my own experience that I find the "Mystery Method" and other forms of pick-up that fit into the "indirect" category to be creepy, manipulative, passive-aggressive, and unhealthy in the long run. Will it get you laid? Possibly. But at what cost to yourself and the woman you're seducing?

The bigger point is that it's unfair to make blanket statements about the "seduction community" based on one company's approach and sales tactics. I do think Mystery is an evil genius, and there are some nuggets of gold in his teachings, but he is generally viewed as obsolete in the community. That's why you don't see many people "peacocking" anymore, except for perhaps in L.A. and Vegas.

There are other authors, other methods, other ways to think about the situation that can improve what you're trying to work on. Most fall into either the "indirect" or "direct" category. Personally I prefer the direct style--it's honest, straightforward, and far less manipulative--with a touch of indirect stuff thrown in to spice it up.

I also agree with the poster who mentioned that it's kind of ridiculous to villainize men who try to learn to be more attractive while women are encouraged and expected to spend tons of time and money trying to make themselves look good. Double standards, anyone?

There are some things on PUA that can be quite helpfull. My issue with this sort of thing is that I have to read several pages of advice that are just common sense(I had to read several pages on why you should try your best to relate to the girl and use this as a way of starting a conversation last week when Ive been doing that sort of thing for a while without having to read any book).

That being said yesterday I came across something that is very interesting. We all take some time to think before we speak right?. Its the best way of making sure that nothing is going to go wrong. This is a great way of talking to your relatives/authorities...that being said this wont help you with most girls because it looks like you are spending too much time trying to find the perfect line to impress them when things should come naturally.

What this guy encouraged readers to do is to step outside the comfort zone of safe conversations and try to improvise something. Say things without taking the time to think if it´d be safe and try t just go with the flow of the conversation.

Now I understand that this sort of thing takes some time. But he wasnt encouraging you to just go out there and try to approach a girl that way right now. He said that you should start making videos talking nonstop about whatever is on your mind and then try to start doing around friends when you are comfortable doing it and afterwards if things have gone well around girls.


Now I know that this sort of thing is probably going to take an awfull amount of time but this is the sort of thing that can be applied everywhere and to me it makes sense/seems like a long term solution so Im going to give this a try

Like both above me said, ive been watching some stuff on this since its literally the only thing ive yet to try with women. Even the mystery methodand such I dont see it as such a horrible thing. And like spongy said theres many things which are just common sense (although common sense is almost a superpower now a days). The only justification i can see about all the hate is disliking that those guys think they have the tools (because in reality theres no tools, this pua stuff just adds comfort by making talking to someone like a objective based game) to make the game of attraction fair. Theres not so much men can do about attraction. you're kinda dealt your hand and forced to play it.

Applying pickup skills on the iphone:

It's definitely much more than just adding comfort by making talking an objective based game, and there are guys who seriously do have the tools.

I just joined the Lair forum in my city, some of these lay reports are just insane. The better guys are just so skilled at planting attraction and navigating the situations, skillfully steering it to a culmination of mind blowing animalistic sex.

I want to experience that for myself.

Something I forgot to address earlier.

The double standard some of you are claiming is non-existant.

Females are encouraged to use makeup... however cosmetic surgery, fake boobs... is looked upon by quite a lot of people

Males are encouraged to work on their issues and there are plenty of books/specialists out there to help you out however trying to cover your issues and taking advantage of females at the same time is looked upon by quite a lot of people

I myself do not believe in any double standards either. Men and women are as different from each other as they are the same, and each gender faces it's own unique challenges.

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As others have said, PUA is a broad set of various kinds of tricks, methods, and/or psychological teachings. Not every PUA material taught is necessarily bad or even manipulative (unless your definition of manipulative is so broad it must also include women trying to look their sexiest for men).

I guess it depends on the area where you are at.
Around here trying to look on your issues is usually encouraged but I guess that in other places it can be seen as a bad thing(lack of manhood or something equally silly)

As I said I dont hate it and Im trying to do some research on the field before stating my opinion but if its actually about manipulating people(as some of people claim) it screams sociopathy to me and I dont think I´ll ever approve said behaviour.