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14 Jan 2013, 9:23 pm

MCalavera wrote:

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Actually, I think the "Nice Guy/Girl" and the "Jerk" are really the exact same kind of people, they both manipulate their victims into giving them what they want (sex), however seeing as the "Nice Guy/Girl" doesn't have the physical qualities of the "Jerk", they just need to take a different approach.

I disagree. They're different kinds.

The Nice Guy is often more misguided than aware of what he's doing. Manipulation usually requires intent.

Oh no, these guys and girls know what they're doing, and woe be anyone who tries to tell them that the other gender is not a hive collective filled with evil scum out to deny them sex. Which is what it all boils down to. Sex. Besides, have you seen the carnage left behind when one these guys actually gets a relationship? And it's always the other persons fault.

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15 Jan 2013, 1:23 am

It looks more to me like you're referring to narcissists. I make a distinction between narcissists and nice guys who are having trouble being in successful relationships.

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15 Jan 2013, 1:28 am

Kjas wrote:

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hyperlexian wrote:

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I don't have access to the full details of that study you linked to, but it seems like they were doing a study on "relative" altruism rather than on what we're supposed to be discussing within the context of this thread. Anyway, altruism is an abstract and, therefore, can have several meaningful definitions (just like intelligence and love and so on). While the study may be looking at one definition of altruism, I'm looking at a more philosophical definition of it.

ok well, back to the subject of the thread, some people do good things for friends with no expectation of reward from the other person, which would be altruistic within that context. so altruism ultimately can exist within that context.

Do you consider good feeling to be a reward?

At least for me personally I can say there is no "good feeling" as a result of doing something others consider "good".
It simply doesn't exist for me - although I hear from others that it does for them.

But there is something in it for you, regardless of how hidden and abstract it may be.

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15 Jan 2013, 5:23 am

MXH wrote:

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Kezzstar wrote:

this is true. very good insight.

about the discussion regarding how looks play into this... if it was that much about looks then all of the good looking guys on WrongPlanet would have success no matter what method they tried. since that isn't true, they are proving your theory bogus. it's about more than just looks a lot of the time.

The problem is there are many different ways of being good looking. Some of them are in a sexual manner, others can be in business/professional manners, and others can just be like a handsome matter. All this can affect the way that looks effective conversation. You wouldn't take much business advice from the hot person. Same way you wouldn't take much sex advice from the business person.

so it's more than just "being good looking"... exactly my point.

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15 Jan 2013, 9:24 pm

I'm a nice guy. wahhhh (lets see how may girls trip over themselves to go out on a date with me! :wink: ) :jester: ... :pig:

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15 Jan 2013, 9:29 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

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so it's more than just "being good looking"... exactly my point.

No, Im just saying that it is mostly about being good looking, but that there are other things people say as good looking but in reality arent in the manner that this conveys

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