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28 Jul 2015, 2:32 pm

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Because sex involves two people and is a very personal thing....you think people in relationships should just be able to grab and start f***ing their SO whenever they want regardless of of said SO wants to have sex in that moment or not?


For me sex is not a personal thing at all. I don't bond with sex, and it is more like some mechanical act that animals do for breeding. We usually don't care so much if animals breed, do we?

However, the big problem with the Western consent laws is how they have been broadened so anything that is potentially sexual needs consent, like touching somebody in a sexual way, watching people have sex, or even being naked. That's why I wondered why we don't have consent-laws for flirting, catcalling, walking up to somebody talking or breathing.

Besides, if sex was a private business, I wouldn't be able to find a hardcore f***ing movie online in no time. It's all hypocrisy.



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28 Jul 2015, 5:38 pm

^ You're not allowed to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you.

It's really quite simple.

If you don't understand why you're not allowed to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you, your problems run much deeper than not being able to find a date.


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28 Jul 2015, 6:19 pm

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Frankly, all the make-up and dressing up (or dressing to show the body) is not something guys use to decide on which girl to date. If anything, dressing up to show your body only signals to us your sexuality and its no wonder the kind of guys that go for them do so just for the body not the person. A girl in t-shirt and jeans is as attractive as one in a fancy/sexy dress. If you got the beauty the guy likes thats how he will choose...not because of make up or dress.



This is true. Guys pretty much catagorize women, within a few minutes or so, after seeing/meeting them.

Here are the more common ones (these can change over time, though):

1. Dating potential (He is both sexually, and mentally attracted to you)
2. Just sex (You are attractive enough for sex, but he isn't interested enough to want a relationship)
3. Just friends (He likes your personality, but isn't sexually attracted to you)
4. Easy pickin's for abuse (for the abusers/manipulators out there)
5. Not sure which category to put you in (although he has probably narrowed it down)
6. Not interested at all.



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28 Jul 2015, 11:49 pm

nurseangela, you're making it increasingly hard for me to grant you the benefit of the doubt and not conclude you're pulling my leg, and I have better things to do with the time I spend here than repeatedly try to explain to you something which wasn't even adressed to you, and which you don't seem nearly as interested in understanding as in making a big fuss about by taking it out of context and putting in my mouth something having little to do with what I said, like you did to The_Face_of_Boo.

You keep ignoring posts by rdos where he colorfully claims moral superiority to sexual people who value their sexuality and want to live it, like this:

rdos wrote:
Yes, but I don't find the Western "consent-model" very useful. Why should we specifically need to consent to sex? Why not for flirting with each others too? Or even looking at somebody might require consent? Or merely breathing?

But I have a nice little alternative proposition that likely would wipe out NTs: Sexual intercourse without wanting to bread should become illegal with death penalty as the punishment. :mrgreen:


And then you act all worked up when we more or less jokingly reply in kind.

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I have another idea: let's make it illegal and punishable by death to complain about sexual freedom, trying to make it look like people who don't want to have sex are being attacked.


As you can see for yourself, he has actually dismissed sexual freedom as people being pressured to like sex. It's plausible for an asexual person to see it this way, since they don't feel our sexual drive, but it really gets old after so much fruitless arguing, and isn't ultimately very different from considering lack of racism an attack on the race which used to be dominant, or gender equality to be sexism against men.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry, but I'm not devoting any more time to this. I don't think I can make my point any clearer, and I'm no fan of repeating myself. There comes a point when you have to accept it's not your choice how others take your words.


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29 Jul 2015, 12:12 am

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The solution here is actually VERY SIMPLE...!
Let's just all starting having :heart: GROUP-SMEX :heart: Right Now ! :D


No thanks. :ninja:


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29 Jul 2015, 12:40 am

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nurseangela, you're making it increasingly hard for me to grant you the benefit of the doubt and not conclude you're pulling my leg, and I have better things to do with the time I spend here than repeatedly try to explain to you something which wasn't even adressed to you, and which you don't seem nearly as interested in understanding as in making a big fuss about by taking it out of context and putting in my mouth something having little to do with what I said, like you did to The_Face_of_Boo.

You keep ignoring posts by rdos where he colorfully claims moral superiority to sexual people who value their sexuality and want to live it, like this:

rdos wrote:
Yes, but I don't find the Western "consent-model" very useful. Why should we specifically need to consent to sex? Why not for flirting with each others too? Or even looking at somebody might require consent? Or merely breathing?

But I have a nice little alternative proposition that likely would wipe out NTs: Sexual intercourse without wanting to bread should become illegal with death penalty as the punishment. :mrgreen:


And then you act all worked up when we more or less jokingly reply in kind.

Spiderpig wrote:
I have another idea: let's make it illegal and punishable by death to complain about sexual freedom, trying to make it look like people who don't want to have sex are being attacked.


As you can see for yourself, he has actually dismissed sexual freedom as people being pressured to like sex. It's plausible for an asexual person to see it this way, since they don't feel our sexual drive, but it really gets old after so much fruitless arguing, and isn't ultimately very different from considering lack of racism an attack on the race which used to be dominant, or gender equality to be sexism against men.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry, but I'm not devoting any more time to this. I don't think I can make my point any clearer, and I'm no fan of repeating myself. There comes a point when you have to accept it's not your choice how others take your words.


I can only explain why I keep asking what you mean in this way... There are some Aspies on here that I just can't seem to understand what they are saying - maybe it's the words they use or the use of sarcasm at times - idk. What happens is that when I read their response my brain just can't understand what they are saying and my mind just shuts down. This has happened with you, Boo and Mr Blue M&M (I can't remember his name). Others I'll have no problem with. Honestly, I just read your response again and I get a headache (for real) trying to figure out what you're saying and it is just too exhausting for me to keep trying to figure it out. No matter how many times I read it, it never gets any clearer. My NT friend Julia also has problems whenever I'll send her a response from an Aspie on this site. And it's not all Aspies either. This is probably one reason there are so many miscommunications between Aspies and NT's. I don't know what to do about it, but I'll make a note not to ask for clarification on things anymore regarding your posts.


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29 Jul 2015, 12:46 am

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This is true. Guys pretty much catagorize women, within a few minutes or so, after seeing/meeting them.

Here are the more common ones (these can change over time, though):

1. Dating potential (He is both sexually, and mentally attracted to you)
2. Just sex (You are attractive enough for sex, but he isn't interested enough to want a relationship)
3. Just friends (He likes your personality, but isn't sexually attracted to you)
4. Easy pickin's for abuse (for the abusers/manipulators out there)
5. Not sure which category to put you in (although he has probably narrowed it down)
6. Not interested at all.


I don't have a "just sex" category. If I want to have sex with someone, I want at least to be her friend, too. In fact, I find it very demeaning when women suggest, usually through gestures, that they don't need to be nice to me, because I'll still want to have sex with them, so I'll let them control me, as I should, and that I'm a hypocrite if I object to being treated this way.

Regarding the "easy pickings for abuse" category, I'm so used to the idea that no woman in her right mind will ever want to have anything to do with me that it'll be very hard for me not to feel I'm abusing the rare one who might one day show interest in me.


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29 Jul 2015, 1:03 am

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Spiderpig wrote:
nurseangela, you're making it increasingly hard for me to grant you the benefit of the doubt and not conclude you're pulling my leg, and I have better things to do with the time I spend here than repeatedly try to explain to you something which wasn't even adressed to you, and which you don't seem nearly as interested in understanding as in making a big fuss about by taking it out of context and putting in my mouth something having little to do with what I said, like you did to The_Face_of_Boo.

You keep ignoring posts by rdos where he colorfully claims moral superiority to sexual people who value their sexuality and want to live it, like this:

rdos wrote:
Yes, but I don't find the Western "consent-model" very useful. Why should we specifically need to consent to sex? Why not for flirting with each others too? Or even looking at somebody might require consent? Or merely breathing?

But I have a nice little alternative proposition that likely would wipe out NTs: Sexual intercourse without wanting to bread should become illegal with death penalty as the punishment. :mrgreen:


And then you act all worked up when we more or less jokingly reply in kind.

Spiderpig wrote:
I have another idea: let's make it illegal and punishable by death to complain about sexual freedom, trying to make it look like people who don't want to have sex are being attacked.


As you can see for yourself, he has actually dismissed sexual freedom as people being pressured to like sex. It's plausible for an asexual person to see it this way, since they don't feel our sexual drive, but it really gets old after so much fruitless arguing, and isn't ultimately very different from considering lack of racism an attack on the race which used to be dominant, or gender equality to be sexism against men.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry, but I'm not devoting any more time to this. I don't think I can make my point any clearer, and I'm no fan of repeating myself. There comes a point when you have to accept it's not your choice how others take your words.


I can only explain why I keep asking what you mean in this way... There are some Aspies on here that I just can't seem to understand what they are saying - maybe it's the words they use or the use of sarcasm at times - idk. What happens is that when I read their response my brain just can't understand what they are saying and my mind just shuts down. This has happened with you, Boo and Mr Blue M&M (I can't remember his name). Others I'll have no problem with. Honestly, I just read your response again and I get a headache (for real) trying to figure out what you're saying and it is just too exhausting for me to keep trying to figure it out. No matter how many times I read it, it never gets any clearer. My NT friend Julia also has problems whenever I'll send her a response from an Aspie on this site. And it's not all Aspies either. This is probably one reason there are so many miscommunications between Aspies and NT's. I don't know what to do about it, but I'll make a note not to ask for clarification on things anymore regarding your posts.


Probably a generational thing, you didn't understand the use of ' ' for the word good in my post before which indicates sarcasm nowadays. This is something of recent I think, in the texting era.

Or maybe Waldo is messing your head :lol:.



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29 Jul 2015, 1:07 am

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Boo, I understand what you are saying now. I apologize because I wasn't understanding what you were saying before and it sounded to me like you would prefer things to be how they used to be.


Aww...good...It bothered me too for being thought of me as a rape apologist.

I accept your apology but still...

no hugs :shameonyou:



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29 Jul 2015, 1:10 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Spiderpig wrote:
nurseangela, you're making it increasingly hard for me to grant you the benefit of the doubt and not conclude you're pulling my leg, and I have better things to do with the time I spend here than repeatedly try to explain to you something which wasn't even adressed to you, and which you don't seem nearly as interested in understanding as in making a big fuss about by taking it out of context and putting in my mouth something having little to do with what I said, like you did to The_Face_of_Boo.

You keep ignoring posts by rdos where he colorfully claims moral superiority to sexual people who value their sexuality and want to live it, like this:

rdos wrote:
Yes, but I don't find the Western "consent-model" very useful. Why should we specifically need to consent to sex? Why not for flirting with each others too? Or even looking at somebody might require consent? Or merely breathing?

But I have a nice little alternative proposition that likely would wipe out NTs: Sexual intercourse without wanting to bread should become illegal with death penalty as the punishment. :mrgreen:


And then you act all worked up when we more or less jokingly reply in kind.

Spiderpig wrote:
I have another idea: let's make it illegal and punishable by death to complain about sexual freedom, trying to make it look like people who don't want to have sex are being attacked.


As you can see for yourself, he has actually dismissed sexual freedom as people being pressured to like sex. It's plausible for an asexual person to see it this way, since they don't feel our sexual drive, but it really gets old after so much fruitless arguing, and isn't ultimately very different from considering lack of racism an attack on the race which used to be dominant, or gender equality to be sexism against men.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry, but I'm not devoting any more time to this. I don't think I can make my point any clearer, and I'm no fan of repeating myself. There comes a point when you have to accept it's not your choice how others take your words.


I can only explain why I keep asking what you mean in this way... There are some Aspies on here that I just can't seem to understand what they are saying - maybe it's the words they use or the use of sarcasm at times - idk. What happens is that when I read their response my brain just can't understand what they are saying and my mind just shuts down. This has happened with you, Boo and Mr Blue M&M (I can't remember his name). Others I'll have no problem with. Honestly, I just read your response again and I get a headache (for real) trying to figure out what you're saying and it is just too exhausting for me to keep trying to figure it out. No matter how many times I read it, it never gets any clearer. My NT friend Julia also has problems whenever I'll send her a response from an Aspie on this site. And it's not all Aspies either. This is probably one reason there are so many miscommunications between Aspies and NT's. I don't know what to do about it, but I'll make a note not to ask for clarification on things anymore regarding your posts.


Probably a generational thing, you didn't understand the use of ' ' for the word good in my post before which indicates sarcasm nowadays. This is something of recent I think, in the texting era.

Or maybe Waldo is messing your head :lol:.


That could be true, after all Waldo is Aspie you know.


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29 Jul 2015, 1:33 am

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Boo, I understand what you are saying now. I apologize because I wasn't understanding what you were saying before and it sounded to me like you would prefer things to be how they used to be.


Aww...good...It bothered me too for being thought of me as a rape apologist.

I accept your apology but still...

no hugs :shameonyou:


Boo, you make me smile.....but only a little.

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29 Jul 2015, 4:07 am

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^ You're not allowed to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you.

It's really quite simple.

If you don't understand why you're not allowed to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you, your problems run much deeper than not being able to find a date.


I don't want to have sex with anybody. That was not the issue. The issue is how sex could be a private and very personal thing if you can find it online in no time? That makes no sense. The issue also is why touching is worse than flirting. Both supposedly are ways to check receptivity, but one is thought to be bad but not the other.



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29 Jul 2015, 4:51 am

nurseangela wrote:
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I have another idea: let's make it illegal and punishable by death to complain about sexual freedom, trying to make it look like people who don't want to have sex are being attacked.


What??! ! What does this mean? What is the point to this statement?


its a counter argument against

rdos wrote:

Yes, but I don't find the Western "consent-model" very useful. Why should we specifically need to consent to sex? Why not for flirting with each others too? Or even looking at somebody might require consent? Or merely breathing?

But I have a nice little alternative proposition that likely would wipe out NTs: Sexual intercourse without wanting to bread should become illegal with death penalty as the punishment. :mrgreen:


where one takes what another says rewords or twists it so its used against the person now.

like
liberal says:
lets make a law banning conservatives

conservative counter says:
no, how about a law banning liberals

rdos proposed a law that would kill all people who like sex, so spiderpig countered with another law that would kill all people who don't like sex.

that's all not much else to it. spider pig wasn't being serious, though rdos maybe idk with him anymore.



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29 Jul 2015, 4:53 am

nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Spiderpig wrote:
nurseangela, you're making it increasingly hard for me to grant you the benefit of the doubt and not conclude you're pulling my leg, and I have better things to do with the time I spend here than repeatedly try to explain to you something which wasn't even adressed to you, and which you don't seem nearly as interested in understanding as in making a big fuss about by taking it out of context and putting in my mouth something having little to do with what I said, like you did to The_Face_of_Boo.

You keep ignoring posts by rdos where he colorfully claims moral superiority to sexual people who value their sexuality and want to live it, like this:

rdos wrote:
Yes, but I don't find the Western "consent-model" very useful. Why should we specifically need to consent to sex? Why not for flirting with each others too? Or even looking at somebody might require consent? Or merely breathing?

But I have a nice little alternative proposition that likely would wipe out NTs: Sexual intercourse without wanting to bread should become illegal with death penalty as the punishment. :mrgreen:


And then you act all worked up when we more or less jokingly reply in kind.

Spiderpig wrote:
I have another idea: let's make it illegal and punishable by death to complain about sexual freedom, trying to make it look like people who don't want to have sex are being attacked.


As you can see for yourself, he has actually dismissed sexual freedom as people being pressured to like sex. It's plausible for an asexual person to see it this way, since they don't feel our sexual drive, but it really gets old after so much fruitless arguing, and isn't ultimately very different from considering lack of racism an attack on the race which used to be dominant, or gender equality to be sexism against men.

If you still don't get it, I'm sorry, but I'm not devoting any more time to this. I don't think I can make my point any clearer, and I'm no fan of repeating myself. There comes a point when you have to accept it's not your choice how others take your words.


I can only explain why I keep asking what you mean in this way... There are some Aspies on here that I just can't seem to understand what they are saying - maybe it's the words they use or the use of sarcasm at times - idk. What happens is that when I read their response my brain just can't understand what they are saying and my mind just shuts down. This has happened with you, Boo and Mr Blue M&M (I can't remember his name). Others I'll have no problem with. Honestly, I just read your response again and I get a headache (for real) trying to figure out what you're saying and it is just too exhausting for me to keep trying to figure it out. No matter how many times I read it, it never gets any clearer. My NT friend Julia also has problems whenever I'll send her a response from an Aspie on this site. And it's not all Aspies either. This is probably one reason there are so many miscommunications between Aspies and NT's. I don't know what to do about it, but I'll make a note not to ask for clarification on things anymore regarding your posts.


Probably a generational thing, you didn't understand the use of ' ' for the word good in my post before which indicates sarcasm nowadays. This is something of recent I think, in the texting era.

Or maybe Waldo is messing your head :lol:.


That could be true, after all Waldo is Aspie you know.


explained above. not everything is a nt vrs aspie thing. i don't get how you don't understand it was a counter argument though if you didn't see rdos post some how, then I see how it would be confusing.



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nurseangela wrote:
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Boo, I understand what you are saying now. I apologize because I wasn't understanding what you were saying before and it sounded to me like you would prefer things to be how they used to be.


Aww...good...It bothered me too for being thought of me as a rape apologist.

I accept your apology but still...

no hugs :shameonyou:

Boo, I need your help, I have suddenly turned into this like, cat-girl, and my body is somehow feeling really all hot & bothered, and I can't get you out of my mind right now, please do something to relieve all my stress & tension...! 8O
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29 Jul 2015, 5:19 am

nurseangela wrote:
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Boo, I understand what you are saying now. I apologize because I wasn't understanding what you were saying before and it sounded to me like you would prefer things to be how they used to be.


Aww...good...It bothered me too for being thought of me as a rape apologist.

I accept your apology but still...

no hugs :shameonyou:

Boo, I need your help, I have suddenly turned into this like, cat-girl, and my body is somehow feeling really all hot & bothered, and I can't get you out of my mind right now, please do something to relieve all my stress & tension...! 8O
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Sorry babe, I have a lot of fans horny for me already.

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