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23 Apr 2016, 4:04 am

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I agree with Aristophanes.

Most people choose how they look, and choose to present themselves how they want to come across - you can guess a lot about most people by how they look.

Even people who 'don't care about fashion/how they look' will come across this way - someone who doesn't care about their hygiene will more than likely have poor hygiene.

Someone who doesn't care about fashion and just throws whatever clothes on, will most likely look like someone who doesn't care about fashion (unless they are exceptionally lucky and just happened to pick extremely fashionable and stylish clothing without going to an expensive shop to get them or even researching what's trendy right now).

Yes, it's shallow.

Yes, it's judging a book by its cover.

But most people do it.

And, even then, actual books usually try to have an attractive cover to draw in an audience, movies usually have attractive trailers to gain people's interest and attention. ;)

Usually, my assumptions are correct, unfortunately.

I usually do try to get to know others and assume their personality isn't exactly what they look like, but it most often is.

Now, in my experiences, many males aren't attracted to models and actually like averageness.

Too many times I've seen them say they dislike makeup or simply prefer without, or, while they don't want an absolute mophead, they'd be okay if they went out with her and she didn't spend 50 minutes in the morning to look good.

To the women here, has your boyfriends of the past EVER found you unattractive when you've just woken up in the morning, messy hair, no makeup, wearing your unflaterring PJs with your shirt that you used as a tissue?

I think more men than you realize find women attractive when the'yre like this, as it signifies you're comfortable being around them and being more natural and human.

At the same time though, us men are driven just as wild when we see her walk down the stairs in a beautiful dress, stunning hair, maybe some natural makeup that highlights her features, some perfume or jus deodorant, etc.

I think perhaps it's when we're in love and/or in an LTR when we become comfortable with women when they're apathetic about their looks.

Random strangers, however, it's best to look as good as possible, but no, you don't have to try and look like a model.

And, men are just as indoctrined by women from birth to support certain ideals regarding looks.

Men also have insecurities, body issues, etc. due to the unrealistic standards the media has set for men to live up to just as much as women.

"I'm getting off on another topic here, but do you realize that's why more women get anorexia and bulimia because women are conditioned to worry about their looks at a young age?"

With the increasing trend of young males being interested in bodybuilding and lifting weights, men have increasing rates of bigorexia, a new eating disorder the opposite of anorexia - strong men seeing skinny, weak man in the mirror.

Males also have the typical existing eating disorders. https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org ... -disorders

25% of Anorexia and bulimia cases are men, BED cases are 36%.

"They don't have beauty pageants for little boys - it's girls."

Adult men have bodybuilding competitions, which focuses completely on the visual body they have created and posing technique.

Women have bodybuilding competitions as well, but guess which one existed first and which one is still more common and popular? That's right, men's.

Men also played in competitive sports and in the olympics and such first, just yet more social conditioning for men to be sporty, active and strong.

"Barbie dolls for girls making us think we're supposed to have an hour glass figure, long hair and big boobs."

Men being exposed to big ripped men in the media and thinking they must work hard to strive this ideal (and it's just as hard to lift weights and eat healthy as it is for women to achieve a model look).

Vin Diesal, Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, every WWE wrestler, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/ ... =australia

"Now men are saying that's high - maintenance and we are stuck on ourselves,"

And in my experiences many (millenial) women say they find a male who's too muscular 'disgusting' and 'gross' and don't find it attractive at all.

They want a slightly muscular male who is 'thin-but-fit' and find excess muscle unattractive.

"but at the same time they are ogling the next "model" type that passes them on the street."

But at the same time many women seem to swoon over men who are extremely muscular and unrealistically unattainable, like Vin Diesel. :lol:

"Reading threads like this one depresses me because honestly I'm tired of competing against other women."

We males don't like competing against other men either. It's a real piss-up competition.

"Because of the way society has placed such an importance on a woman's looks, I'm actually depressed at times because I think that I can't measure up."

This isn't a problem limited to women though. The reason you may think so is because there's simply less media coverage on it, and men are expected to be 'masculine' and 'tough' and not show emotion.

Yes, women's looks do have more emphasis by society, I'll agree with that one.

"I can't have beautiful nails because I'm allergic to the nail polishes and fake nails, I'm too scared to get fake boobs even though some of the nurses I've worked with have them, all of my long hair is mine and it's a pain in the ass to keep up while other women just go buy extensions.I keep exercising hoping that one day I'll look like those women on Turbo Fire."

In Australia, at least, I've noticed recent trends in the last few years.

Males are very metrosexual and care significantly about their looks. Many (young) Aussie blokes today are using moisturizers on their faces and skin to get clear skin, many are even shaving a lot of their body hair including legs and chest. They use colognes and spend a lot of money on combs and hair gels to have stylish hairstyles.

They're improving in hygiene, which is a good thing, but it simply means yet more unrealistic standards to live up to.

I don't like shaving any part of my body hair, especially my beard (sadly going out of style).

I hate our male fashion here - so cheap and ugly. The males wear knee-high black/grey socks, ugly flat shoes like this . http://www.styletread.com.au/original-c ... oC6eHw_wcB

Ignore the price on the website, the ones here are cheap $2 and it's only expesnive on there if you are ordering them from overseas.

They tend to wear cargo shorts a little too shorter than they should be (slightly above the knees), and V-neck shirts that are usually pink or light reddish-pink. or light blue or white. And don't forget the little pocket on the front left part of the chest they don't actually use.

And have a stylish haircut they've put various gels and combs into.

It is the most cheapest, effeminate and f*ggoty look Ive ever seen in young men, and my mother completely agrees with me (yes, she agrees it's f*ggoty. As in she actualy said herself it's how they look).

Don't care if I offend anyone, I'm bisexual and admit they look like a bunch of pansies.

That, or they have the hipster look, or they simply look like junkies from the ghetto (baseball cap, ugly 'swag' look).

"I don't think men know just how hard women have it and threads like this one just make things worse. Women are just seen as objects - as usual."

Yes..Very common for women to be mistreated in this way.

Boo: Yeah, good idea. Forgot how long this was. I'll condense it. Longest post I've ever made, actually....it didn't work.

SHORT EDITION

Males also suffer from body image issues, including anorexia and bulimia, and they have their own one - bigorexia, which is the opposite of anorexia, meaning they may be strong but see themselves as skinny and weak, and go to extreme lengths to be strong.

Males are forced by the media to accept models as attractive.

Most males, at least when in an LTR, will actually find you as a woman attractive even if you have messy hair, just woke up in the morning in your unflattering PJs, etc.

But we also like it just as much when you're going down the stairs with perfect hair, natural makeup that complements your features, a beautiful dress and nice smile.

In my experiences many males aren't all that attracted to models and actually desire averageness.

I as a male experience many of the things women do, e.g. body image issues, pressure to live up to unrealistic standards of attactiveness, etc.

In my experiences many women seem to claim excess muscle is unattractive, yet turn around and highly value men such as Dwayne 'the rock' Johnson and Vin Diesal.

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23 Apr 2016, 6:08 am

Outrider....

You need to make your posts smaller.... much smaller.

No one has the time to read all your China-walls of texts.



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23 Apr 2016, 7:25 am

I COULD BUILD THE GREAT WALLS OF TEXT WITH MY BARE HANDS!! ! DON'T STOP ME!!

Soon enough I'll make the pyramid of text!! :lol:

Drat, Wp doesn't allow me... :skull:

Next up is the Eiffel tower, but that's for another day. :wink:

SHORT EDITION

Males also suffer from body image issues, including anorexia and bulimia, and they have their own one - bigorexia, which is the opposite of anorexia, meaning they may be strong but see themselves as skinny and weak, and go to extreme lengths to be strong.

Males are forced by the media to accept models as attractive.

Most males, at least when in an LTR, will actually find you as a woman attractive even if you have messy hair, just woke up in the morning in your unflattering PJs, etc.

But we also like it just as much when you're going down the stairs with perfect hair, natural makeup that complements your features, a beautiful dress and nice smile.

In my experiences many males aren't all that attracted to models and actually desire averageness.

I as a male experience many of the things women do, e.g. body image issues, pressure to live up to unrealistic standards of attactiveness, etc.

In my experiences many women seem to claim excess muscle is unattractive, yet turn around and highly value men such as Dwayne 'the rock' Johnson and Vin Diesal.

I personally hate young Australian men fashion and it looks pansy and f*ggoty.



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23 Apr 2016, 7:35 am

Anorexia can hardly be a result of just wanting to please men. I doubt many men like hugging, kissing or caressing a skeleton, not to mention having sex with it.


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23 Apr 2016, 8:49 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Outrider....

You need to make your posts smaller.... much smaller.

No one has the time to read all your China-walls of texts.

Lol, speak for yourself, I love wall of text, it tells me there's a well formed opinion there.



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23 Apr 2016, 9:09 am

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Men being exposed to big ripped men in the media and thinking they must work hard to strive this ideal (and it's just as hard to lift weights and eat healthy as it is for women to achieve a model look).

Vin Diesal, Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, every WWE wrestler, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/ ... =australia


FINALLY someone said it! As a devout UFC/MMA fan nothing frustrates me more than watching the fights and knowing I'll never look like them (can't do MMA training because of the high risk of retinal detachment from my high myopia plus weightlifting is mind-numbingly boring to me :P).



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23 Apr 2016, 9:17 am

Arguments are soldiers. They're stationed in castles made of letters, watch their enemies from turrets on top of walls of text and shoot through the embrasures between words.


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23 Apr 2016, 11:59 am

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They are pretty. I'm guessing the OP looks at a lot of porn. Still, they're not quite as attractive as the other women, so he's doing better.


Unless you count WWE (for the women wrestlers), L.A. Clippers Dance Squad on E!, or magic shows on TV (for the scantily-clad assistants) as porn, then you're wrong :P


You're still spending a lot of time looking at very beautiful women, which makes women in real life seem homely by comparison. I used to have really high standards for beauty, but then I stopped looking at porn, and now women look much more attractive to me.

Buuuulllllsh**. I watch porn and still find plenty of women in real life attractive. People who have the problem you mention usually suffer from low libido.



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23 Apr 2016, 12:06 pm

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That's what this whole thread is about - looking at these girls pictures and coming to a conclusion of how they are in real life - including the OP.

I also don't like the term "high maintenance". I would then consider calling a lot of guys "low maintenance" because a lot of them tend to have very little ambition to do much in life, imo.

Well, being around men i can tell you what other men think of the man with a high maintenance girlfriend: sucker.

My experience has been that when all the painting is removed (makeup, eye liner, etc), the "high maintenance" women don't look any better than their "low maintenance" peers. Add in the vain attitudes high maintenance women tend to have and it's a no-brainer that the low maintenance women have much more to offer. Unless of course one is an execeptionally vain man, then of course it's a match made in heaven. Luckily those two tend to attract, so it's really not much of an issue for the general population.


This is what gets me. A lot of men say what you're saying right now - that women don't look any better with makeup on or fake boobs or hair extensions or fake nails. That's BS. Those are the same men that think Marilyn Monroe was all that and more (even though she wore so much lipstick her mouth looked like a monkey's butt), and how about the Victoria Secret models, or the Playboy Bunnies or the vast amount of beautiful movie stars who's pictures are plastered all over this forum? You call women that try to look good "high maintenance" and all these women you call that are only trying to look better because they have the competition of all these models and movie stars that men adore. It's the men that make women want to "doll" themselves up.

I'm actually OCD about chemicals and toxins, so I like when women DON'T wear makeup, not that I wouldn't date a woman who does. I would just be thinking "Am I absorbing lead into my body everytime she kisses me with that lipstick?"



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23 Apr 2016, 12:07 pm

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Now I gotta go exercise. Even though some of you might think that exercising is just to make one "look good", it's also good for your health, FYI. I highly recommend it.

I miss when fitness wasn't demonized. Good for you for working hard to stay healthy.



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23 Apr 2016, 12:11 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
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That's what this whole thread is about - looking at these girls pictures and coming to a conclusion of how they are in real life - including the OP.

I also don't like the term "high maintenance". I would then consider calling a lot of guys "low maintenance" because a lot of them tend to have very little ambition to do much in life, imo.

Well, being around men i can tell you what other men think of the man with a high maintenance girlfriend: sucker.

My experience has been that when all the painting is removed (makeup, eye liner, etc), the "high maintenance" women don't look any better than their "low maintenance" peers. Add in the vain attitudes high maintenance women tend to have and it's a no-brainer that the low maintenance women have much more to offer. Unless of course one is an execeptionally vain man, then of course it's a match made in heaven. Luckily those two tend to attract, so it's really not much of an issue for the general population.


This is what gets me. A lot of men say what you're saying right now - that women don't look any better with makeup on or fake boobs or hair extensions or fake nails. That's BS. Those are the same men that think Marilyn Monroe was all that and more (even though she wore so much lipstick her mouth looked like a monkey's butt), and how about the Victoria Secret models, or the Playboy Bunnies or the vast amount of beautiful movie stars who's pictures are plastered all over this forum? You call women that try to look good "high maintenance" and all these women you call that are only trying to look better because they have the competition of all these models and movie stars that men adore. It's the men that make women want to "doll" themselves up.

Well that may be the case with them, for me I never thought Marilyn Monroe was all that, nor any of the models. I actually see low confidence when I see those images. But, that's just me. And yes, some men may claim "high maintenance" and then go on and on about models-- realize, they like looking at the models, doesn't mean they'd want to date them more than the requisite three dates (you know the meme I'm getting at) so they can brag. Those are the same type of vain men I mentioned earlier, hence the reason those two types belong with each other.


And another thing, those guys like looking at those models, but may not want to date them BECAUSE those model-type women are going to want a good-looking man and looking good doesn't come easy. You think Shaun T or Vin Diesel sit around eating bon bons? :mrgreen:

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I'll take high-maintenance any day! Yowzer! :mrgreen:

What about Van Damme? lol I've always wanted to look like him.
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23 Apr 2016, 12:15 pm

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@NurseAngela. You seem to be missing the point-- it's not how one looks, it's how much value one attaches to those looks. The fact is that if one spends all their time attempting to "look good" then they're probably not offering anything else, since all their time is spent on looks. Yes, you can tell that from a picture. There's nothing wrong with looking good, but if your entire life is based on that, then yeah you don't really have much to offer aside from that. That's where high maintenance comes into play: a person who's only goal is to look good needs constant reassurance that they do indeed look good. Sorry, but that's tedious and high maintenance. So yeah, if I were a dater, I'd go for the girl that doesn't spend half the day attempting to look like a super model and spends that time doing something she actually enjoys-- that's something a potential partner can bond with. I'd rather spend my time doing some activity we both enjoy than spending my time reassuring someone that they do indeed look good.

This is a stupid statement. Look at how many athletes have enhanced their lives through fitness. Take Dolph Lundgren for example. Did you know that he's a chemical engineer? He also knows 5 languages and 5 forms of martial arts, not to mention he's an actor.



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FINALLY someone said it! As a devout UFC/MMA fan nothing frustrates me more than watching the fights and knowing I'll never look like them (can't do MMA training because of the high risk of retinal detachment from my high myopia plus weightlifting is mind-numbingly boring to me :P)


And at least for women many forms of beauty in the media are being promoted: Curvy, Plus size, petite...etc etc... there's like every type of woman body out there. So now the message being delivered is the female ideal body typeS can be achieved in several ways.

But for men, there's only ONE type of ideal male body being promoted in media, only ONE type, and it is the ripped/six-packs body type, like the one posted by nurseangela - and it's very hard to achieve.

If young women are getting anorexic because of media, young boys are also poisoning their bodies with steroids and other chemicals because of the media..... so yeah *yawn* enough of this exclusive-victimized narrative.



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23 Apr 2016, 1:24 pm

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@NurseAngela. You seem to be missing the point-- it's not how one looks, it's how much value one attaches to those looks. The fact is that if one spends all their time attempting to "look good" then they're probably not offering anything else, since all their time is spent on looks. Yes, you can tell that from a picture. There's nothing wrong with looking good, but if your entire life is based on that, then yeah you don't really have much to offer aside from that. That's where high maintenance comes into play: a person who's only goal is to look good needs constant reassurance that they do indeed look good. Sorry, but that's tedious and high maintenance. So yeah, if I were a dater, I'd go for the girl that doesn't spend half the day attempting to look like a super model and spends that time doing something she actually enjoys-- that's something a potential partner can bond with. I'd rather spend my time doing some activity we both enjoy than spending my time reassuring someone that they do indeed look good.

This is a stupid statement. Look at how many athletes have enhanced their lives through fitness. Take Dolph Lundgren for example. Did you know that he's a chemical engineer? He also knows 5 languages and 5 forms of martial arts, not to mention he's an actor.


Cool, you found an anomaly-- they do exist.



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23 Apr 2016, 1:33 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
@NurseAngela. You seem to be missing the point-- it's not how one looks, it's how much value one attaches to those looks. The fact is that if one spends all their time attempting to "look good" then they're probably not offering anything else, since all their time is spent on looks. Yes, you can tell that from a picture. There's nothing wrong with looking good, but if your entire life is based on that, then yeah you don't really have much to offer aside from that. That's where high maintenance comes into play: a person who's only goal is to look good needs constant reassurance that they do indeed look good. Sorry, but that's tedious and high maintenance. So yeah, if I were a dater, I'd go for the girl that doesn't spend half the day attempting to look like a super model and spends that time doing something she actually enjoys-- that's something a potential partner can bond with. I'd rather spend my time doing some activity we both enjoy than spending my time reassuring someone that they do indeed look good.

This is a stupid statement. Look at how many athletes have enhanced their lives through fitness. Take Dolph Lundgren for example. Did you know that he's a chemical engineer? He also knows 5 languages and 5 forms of martial arts, not to mention he's an actor.


Cool, you found an anomaly-- they do exist.

Arnold, Stallone, The Rock, Any wrestler, any sports player, any martial artists. is that enough?



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23 Apr 2016, 1:41 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
@NurseAngela. You seem to be missing the point-- it's not how one looks, it's how much value one attaches to those looks. The fact is that if one spends all their time attempting to "look good" then they're probably not offering anything else, since all their time is spent on looks. Yes, you can tell that from a picture. There's nothing wrong with looking good, but if your entire life is based on that, then yeah you don't really have much to offer aside from that. That's where high maintenance comes into play: a person who's only goal is to look good needs constant reassurance that they do indeed look good. Sorry, but that's tedious and high maintenance. So yeah, if I were a dater, I'd go for the girl that doesn't spend half the day attempting to look like a super model and spends that time doing something she actually enjoys-- that's something a potential partner can bond with. I'd rather spend my time doing some activity we both enjoy than spending my time reassuring someone that they do indeed look good.

This is a stupid statement. Look at how many athletes have enhanced their lives through fitness. Take Dolph Lundgren for example. Did you know that he's a chemical engineer? He also knows 5 languages and 5 forms of martial arts, not to mention he's an actor.


Cool, you found an anomaly-- they do exist.

Arnold, Stallone, The Rock, Any wrestler, any sports player, any martial artists. is that enough?

Yep, I'm sure they're all rocket scientists under the blob of protein and they're all just misunderstood.