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It's simply not true. To quote a Christian song, "The words of God can echo in the voice of a man." (Ever hear of the Bible prophets Joel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, etc? Speaking and writing God's words was their life's calling.) I'm not a prophet, but I can read, and I've been writing what I have read, and giving my thoughts on it. And he did make us that way -- able to understand Him when He really speaks to us. We're not barred from that as sinners. All the writers of the Bible were sinners like you and I. They also were given a precious truth to write down for the rest of us. Someone's sinful state, of couse, does not preclude that. And I'm not writing about what God has shown me, I'm writing about what the Bible says, and yes, it speaks for God -- He wrote it (through men)! I mean, if you dictated a very long autobiography to a transcriptionist, while looking over the transcriptionist's shoulder and checking his accuracy the whole time, that book would speak for you in large part.

ZanneMarie, I've enjoyed many of your posts, especially the ones answering people's questions on relationships. You may have more world-wisdom and common sense than anyone else on WP. But common sense doesn't create the knowledge of God. We have to go humbly to His word to find that.

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yer gonna get owned again Lukewarm

Cool. And no, I haven't thought that word about you either. And, given my beliefs, you fully understand why I'd be automatically worried about any unsaved person, so you're probably not offended by my concern or its manifestations.

But what's the other option from having hope? Would taking that option truly lead to a good state of being for a person? Even non-Christians speak phrases like, "Never give up", and endless variations thereon. I don't think it's healthy to give up on all that you don't see.

I'm recommending you be a skeptic, and assume there's a whole shedload of stuff you don't know. That's all I meant by that.

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Kosmo, this is the second time you've messed up the quoting format to make it look like I wrote something you obviously wrote yourself, pretending to be me. I'm reporting you now. I let the first one go, although it was clearly deliberate.

You're breaking the rules of WP with this misquoting. That makes three times in two days.

Ragtime,

I'm not afraid to see the bible and people as they are. You believe it's literal and I do not. I don't believe that it has to be. That is where we diverge. That idea doesn't scare me at all because I've faced that and looked at it. I don't believe that God has to be afraid of facts, if that makes sense to you. I also don't think that doing that is not being humble. I do think sometimes your posts appear not humble, although I never think to call you names and that could well be the problem of reading what people write with no other input. You are just a person on a journey to understand like Paul and so am I. You see God in a book. I don't need the book because everywhere I look I see it, regardless of what name man applies to it. I don't have to believe it because I fear hell and I don't believe it for that reason. I don't believe it because I think men are infallible. I believe it because I see it everywhere. To me, it's not my place to try to force others to see it or to judge. If God is interested in that, he will take care of it and I don't need to do so. If I point out things to you it's because I want you to think about something, but ultimately, you have to decide. You know that for yourself.

And by the way, think about this. I don't believe it is humble to think that we understand what all the words in the bible mean or that we interpret them correctly. I believe that is prideful thinking. When you see those posts, that's where they are coming from.

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I still don't see why you can get married, Ragtime, and I can't.

I just have to ask you: What is your religion?

That's better.

I don't for a moment think I understand all the words in the Bible -- not even close! But I understand some of the words in the Bible, and those words are the only ones I've been living by and writing about.

So, you said you see the Bible as it really is. Does that go for everything else, too?

Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.

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You're words are seductively rest-inducing. Like valium. The above paragraph is a sort of amorphic "Don't worry, baby." Valium can be dangerous when you're driving, as I believe we all are in this world -- constantly taking or missing turns, some which we should, and others which we shouldn't. You ascribe many writings to me which I neither wrote nor implied.

First, I don't make posts in pride, but I do relay those of God's doctrines which I do understand as correctly as I am able; I found them in plain words in the Bible. I write about things as I see them. Second, I do believe men are quite fallible indeed! Nonetheless, God is omnipotent, and an omnipotent God can convince His fallible creatures of His existence. Third, I do believe it's my place to try and help people. I believe it's everyone's place to do that.