Some questions for Incels after the Toronto van attack

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20 May 2018, 4:44 pm

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While there are more nice guys than there are incels on a forum.. the concern is if those incels become radicalized and follow through with copycat rapes & murders. A population of 40,000 determined rapists and murderers could do a lot of damage to others IF they all decide to play out their crazy violent fantasies and do what this van driving murderer did.

Hopefully more of this crap doesn't happen. But it has happened and there's cause for concern. Also, as has been discussed in this thread.. there's no easy solution to any of this. Women are not blow up sex dolls for anyone else to decide who gets to have sex with them, so there will be no "redistribution of sex," or any other such nonsense. So, there very well could be more of this sort of "terrorism," as well as vigilante justice going the other way. Time will tell what, if anything, happens.

Well, say look at 1950s western society or before. Monogamy and families/reproductions was more socially enforced. Today, none of that exists anymore and so more women as a general rule are going more for top-quality men. It can even be seen in the animal kingdom sometimes. I don't know about "all" women in general, but it's definitely more than it was in the past.

If all things concerned, I'll choose to the 1950s over today because of what I said above.

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21 May 2018, 6:27 am

There are different incel communities. Some are echo chambers for passive-aggresive, angry white men -- most are not. I was involuntary celibate during my teens and early 20's as well, and I didn't have a stable, healthy relationship with a girl until I was 26 (I'm still with the same girl now at almost 30), despite several one night stands, and a couple of non-serious relationships (one semi-serious).

I never even kissed a girl until I was almost 21, but the thought of using violence or anything like that never crossed my mind. What got me laid was losing weight, taking a social skills course and using online dating sites. There are plenty of somewhat overweight guys who have girlfriends, but very few of those have Asperger's syndrome.

What got me a healthy relationship was working around and compensating for my Asperger's syndrome. Gaining muscle helped; I'm too muscular for most girls, but the number of girls who like beefcakes largely outnumber guys who are beefcakes. Getting a master's degree in a challenging field also helped. Lastly, finding an introverted, somewhat nerdy girl who doesn't like parties helped.

Online dating sites suck for getting relationships if you're a guy. First, it's a fake and artificial way of meeting people. Second, guys outnumber girls by a factor of 3-4 to 1. Lastly, a lot of unattractive girls on online dating sites and apps have inflated egos. If a 4/10 girl gets messages from many 6-7/10 guys every day, she will think that she's entitled to 7/10 guys. They can, however, get you laid, and will give you practice in dating and meeting people in general.

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21 May 2018, 6:53 am

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Second, guys outnumber girls by a factor of 3-4 to 1

I disagree, it's even worse than that, I bet it's 20 to 1 if you exclude scams and fake profiles (which are created by the site owners themselves to fake ratio).

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but the number of girls who like beefcakes largely outnumber guys who are beefcakes.

And most girls don't even realize that 90% of beefcakes take steroids and other hormones.

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21 May 2018, 7:06 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

I disagree, it's even worse than that, I bet it's 20 to 1 if you exclude scams and fake profiles (which are created by the site owners themselves to fake ratio).

Makes sense.

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And most girls don't even realize that 90% of beefcakes take steroids and other hormones.

I haven't done that in years (binge drinking or smoking has far more serious health impacts). You're "too big" in many people's eyes long before you look like Rich Piana, though.

If you're on a dating site, you are not allowed to build muscle in the gym in the first place. You have to have built the muscle by working as a farmer, a construction worker or a police man -- while being a millionaire.

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21 May 2018, 8:47 am

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If you're on a dating site, you are not allowed to build muscle in the gym in the first place. You have to have built the muscle by working as a farmer, a construction worker or a police man -- while being a millionaire.

Or a firefighter - yeah, gym is too uncool - they expect you to have six-packs in a 'natural way'.

Do you remember this old thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=235231, it drove WP women crazy on the defensive.

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21 May 2018, 10:41 am

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Now that women have more choices in life, more of them are going to choose not to have families (because some of us don't want to get married and have babies) because they have that choice now and they didn't have that choice before. Just because you don't like the choices some women make with their freedom doesn't mean you get to take that freedom away, it means you have to get used to the idea that some people will make choices with their human rights that you don't like, and you have to get over that. Not liking other people's choices doesn't give you the right to oppress them.

You can't force women to want to be with you, and incels need to accept that. "Enforced monogamy" can't work in a society in which people can freely choose not to pair up and reproduce if they don't want to do that.

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21 May 2018, 12:38 pm

As I said in the incel’s PPR thread, there’s an excess of young males in the US (due to the human birth sex ratio that is always naturally in favor of males to compensate male mortality in the past).

So your only solution is a new bloody war - probably with Iran - and this is becoming a real new possibility.
A such war would need reserve units; I bet unmarried/financially poor men with no dependencies would be summoned first ==> Incel problem solved. :lol:

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24 May 2018, 9:32 pm

There wouldn't be half as many angry incels if we would just stop ostracizing guys for being virgins.

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24 May 2018, 10:26 pm

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There wouldn't be half as many angry incels if we would just stop ostracizing guys for being virgins.

Define both “ostracizing,” and “incels,” as you mean in this post. Too many possible interpretations, especially as to who you are referring to by “incel.”

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25 May 2018, 5:21 pm

goldfish21 wrote:

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There wouldn't be half as many angry incels if we would just stop ostracizing guys for being virgins.

Define both “ostracizing,” and “incels,” as you mean in this post. Too many possible interpretations, especially as to who you are referring to by “incel.”

Attacking the “pill” ideologies, rather than “incels” and “nice guys” would be a start. I don’t care that these terms have been redefined as something different from their original meaning, use of the terms still causes splash damage because of the ambiguous meaning.

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26 May 2018, 3:16 pm

Women Are Sharing The Horrifying Things That Happen When They Reject A Guy And It’s Actually Insane

https://wokesloth.com/women-are-sharing ... guy/alexa/

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26 May 2018, 4:01 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

Hollywood_Guy wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

Yeah, but the problem with "incels" and similar groups of people is that by effect, they don't have as many choices in that way in society than women do these days. Also, having companionship and relationships are nearly a basic emotional need or a natural desire/instinct.

Women having an overall more sum of choices in dating options than men under a system is worthless, there needs to be a way things can operate mutually.

And more "choices" aren't necessarily the only means of a better quality of life.

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26 May 2018, 5:55 pm

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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

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goldfish21 wrote:

Not being able to force women to be with men they don't want to be with does not mean that women have more choices than men. This argument of yours makes no sense.

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27 May 2018, 7:31 am

^ Personally, I love it when men try to lecture women on what they think should make us "happy."

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27 May 2018, 11:06 am

Honestly I see the only solution that would appease you is to execute every incel member on every incel forum.

Or to send fincels after them, to bath in their blood.

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27 May 2018, 12:24 pm

Incel sounds like a pity parade for guys who can't get laid and don't want to cast a good hard look at themselves :mrgreen:

I know why I never get laid. I'm fat, depressed, cannot read body language, etc etc. But I'm working on myself and hopefully some day a cute chick'll go "yea, this weirdo seems cute..."

From what I know about "incels", they expect sex or dont want accept the fact that they may be unfuckable, for whatever reason.

And if you're that upset about not getting any, that you're willing to kill people, there is a whole lot more wrong with you.

Get a Fleshlight, get a RealDoll, jerk off with vaseline, but don't f*****g kill or attack people..

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