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16 Sep 2018, 3:34 pm

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to each their own, some are content with nightly novel orgasms with lotsa different folks, some want something deeper. shallow and deep, each to their own kind.
That's the long and short of it for me, and there's nothing wrong with either. All I'm trying to say is that the method for one may not work in the same way for the other.


Except there are tried, tested, and true ways to make oneself more attractive or to communicate with people & arrange a date. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel when there’s a very simple process that can be followed. IMO YMMV.


There is every reason to reinvent the wheel when things don't work. Although, if there was a documented description of ND courtship, then we could just refer people to that and so there would be no reason to reinvent the wheel.



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16 Sep 2018, 3:37 pm

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out the book now that you have finally given me something concrete to look at instead of just wittering on)


"The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome"?

It's a great book if you've never read it. Very valuable. However, it has nothing to do with a dietary/intestinal treatment protocol - that I've shared here on WP. Dr. Tony Attwood's "complete," guide is not so complete without a chapter on treatments. IMO. But it's still a good book well worth reading if you've never read it - just to be more self aware of your own traits and symptoms.


It's not at all complete since it's written from a neurotypical POV. There is a lot more reason to include natural preferences and how they work than to add "treatments".



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16 Sep 2018, 4:32 pm

rdos wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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(I will be checking

out the book now that you have finally given me something concrete to look at instead of just wittering on)


"The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome"?

It's a great book if you've never read it. Very valuable. However, it has nothing to do with a dietary/intestinal treatment protocol - that I've shared here on WP. Dr. Tony Attwood's "complete," guide is not so complete without a chapter on treatments. IMO. But it's still a good book well worth reading if you've never read it - just to be more self aware of your own traits and symptoms.


It's not at all complete since it's written from a neurotypical POV. There is a lot more reason to include natural preferences and how they work than to add "treatments".

I see no harm in looking at the book but what I was really after was up to date info on good gut bacteria for

health not specific to autism. And reducing anxiety. I'm not looking to change the way I'm wired but then I

think what we are talking about is treating the symptoms (such as depression) not treating (as in attempting to

cure) the autism.



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16 Sep 2018, 5:31 pm

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You're either missing my point entirely, or choosing to ignore it.


No, he isn't. You are the one that is missing the point.

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Long term relationships all start with a first date.


No, they don't. I've been in two relationships, and none of them started with dating. However, the most important point is that most long-term relationships don't start with sex or a one-night-stand. If you start it shallow, you cannot turn it deep. As simple as that.

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Some here have Zero ability to get a first date/meeting someone/hookup/anything at all. I can do that with relative ease. My purposes are sexual, but the communication required to set something like that up is a transferable skill and could be utilized to arrange coffee/movie dates just the same. Those who have Zero ability to get themselves a date could stand to learn a lot from those who are able to communicate with others and arrange themselves first dates/hookups/whatever with relative ease. That's all I'm saying. Whether their goal is a hookup or to find The One is irrelevant. The communication process for either is very similar.


Completely wrong. A natural ND relationship doesn't start with anything even similar to dating. If you are ND and want a soulmate, I think you have to start nonverbally, and definitely without having sexual intercourse.


You are the extreme odd one out, IMO.
NT, ND, all are human. Dating is dating, courtship is courtship. ND people simply have much more difficulty learning how to do it is all.

You suggesting that ND people are going to end up in LTR’s via not dating & being non verbal (What IS your suggestion? Interpretive dance?) is downright bizarre & May be applicable to You but isn’t something I would say is blanket advice for ND people. Not by a long shot.


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16 Sep 2018, 6:37 pm

fluffysaurus wrote:
rdos wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
(I will be checking

out the book now that you have finally given me something concrete to look at instead of just wittering on)


"The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome"?

It's a great book if you've never read it. Very valuable. However, it has nothing to do with a dietary/intestinal treatment protocol - that I've shared here on WP. Dr. Tony Attwood's "complete," guide is not so complete without a chapter on treatments. IMO. But it's still a good book well worth reading if you've never read it - just to be more self aware of your own traits and symptoms.


It's not at all complete since it's written from a neurotypical POV. There is a lot more reason to include natural preferences and how they work than to add "treatments".

I see no harm in looking at the book but what I was really after was up to date info on good gut bacteria for

health not specific to autism. And reducing anxiety. I'm not looking to change the way I'm wired but then I

think what we are talking about is treating the symptoms (such as depression) not treating (as in attempting to

cure) the autism.


I posted 5 years ago what I do and what supplements I take. In terms of which brand of multi-strain probiotic - whichever is on sale. Sometimes it’s Weber Naturals, sometimes it’s Jameson. Almost always an 8-10 strain ~10 Billion CFU capsule.

Further, as I’ve shared for 5+ years, it’s been my experience that they actually treat autism symptoms - not just depression, anxiety, and defective issues.


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16 Sep 2018, 9:36 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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to each their own, some are content with nightly novel orgasms with lotsa different folks, some want something deeper. shallow and deep, each to their own kind.
That's the long and short of it for me, and there's nothing wrong with either. All I'm trying to say is that the method for one may not work in the same way for the other.


Except there are tried, tested, and true ways to make oneself more attractive or to communicate with people & arrange a date. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel when there’s a very simple process that can be followed. IMO YMMV.
How can you make yourself more attractive if you don't know what the partner you're seeking is attracted to?



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16 Sep 2018, 11:04 pm

Mythos wrote:
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Mythos wrote:
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to each their own, some are content with nightly novel orgasms with lotsa different folks, some want something deeper. shallow and deep, each to their own kind.
That's the long and short of it for me, and there's nothing wrong with either. All I'm trying to say is that the method for one may not work in the same way for the other.


Except there are tried, tested, and true ways to make oneself more attractive or to communicate with people & arrange a date. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel when there’s a very simple process that can be followed. IMO YMMV.
How can you make yourself more attractive if you don't know what the partner you're seeking is attracted to?


There are very broad generally societally accepted criteria for attractiveness that people can work on improving in themselves. Very broad basic applicable to all things like: Physical fitness via diet and exercise (this is probably the Number 1 thing that single people commonly work on in order to become more attractive to others), mental health, hairstyle/grooming/personal hygiene, aesthetics/wardrobe/fashion sense, education/skills, earning capacity/finances, organization/tidiness/cleanliness, social skills etc. In general, improving one, some, or all of these things (and more, this is not intended to be a complete list) tends to make people more attractive to others.

Naturally there may be some niche thing that some people are attracted to, or some niche thing that the specific type of people you like are attracted to - and so if you know what that thing is, work on it, too. If not, well, you can't go too wrong by covering all your bases by working on all the basic common stuff listed above. If you're already strong in some areas, work on the ones your worst at for the greatest impact.


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16 Sep 2018, 11:54 pm

the people who excel in all those areas, are essentially perfect people. the rest of us are born under a lesser god.



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17 Sep 2018, 12:44 am

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the people who excel in all those areas, are essentially perfect people. the rest of us are born under a lesser god.

^

Also, I think this covers the most basic of aspects but doesn't really delve into them. For example, you can't just lose weight. It's not an easy thing. Moreover, are people overweight through comfort eating, because of depression, because they can't find a partner or for other reasons? It's a vicious cycle for some.

I mean, I don't disagree. Of course making yourself a chiselled God like my Hades there would net you a decent partner but that's not easy for all people. To others, it's near impossible. To those with physical deformities, is it fair advice for them?



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17 Sep 2018, 12:49 am

as far as self-improvement/optimization is concerned, some people have a much easier time with the physical culture part of it than the psychological/mental culture part of it. others are just the opposite. arthritis makes it hard for me to be the physical specimen I useta be. the mental part of it is even harder, with aging and general hardening of the arteries including those that supply the cerebral noodle [and the other noodle as well, which directly affects the happiness/sanity of the cerebral noodle]. the only consolation I can take from my deterioration, is that aging women tend to have it even worse.



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17 Sep 2018, 1:21 am

auntblabby wrote:
as far as self-improvement/optimization is concerned, some people have a much easier time with the physical culture part of it than the psychological/mental culture part of it. others are just the opposite. arthritis makes it hard for me to be the physical specimen I useta be. the mental part of it is even harder, with aging and general hardening of the arteries including those that supply the cerebral noodle [and the other noodle as well, which directly affects the happiness/sanity of the cerebral noodle]. the only consolation I can take from my deterioration, is that aging women tend to have it even worse.


True that becoming fit isn't solely a matter of willpower, as there can be exacerbating circumstances outside of your control making it nigh impossible for you to reach physical perfection but it makes little difference since sexual selection selects against those exacerbating circumstances outside of your control at least as much as it selects for things that are within your control.


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17 Sep 2018, 1:25 am

the world doesn't seem to need my genes, and I don't seem to need this world in equal measure. but I was put here anyways, whether or not I liked it or anybody else liked it. either god has a sense of humor, or [struck by lightning if I said it].



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17 Sep 2018, 1:42 am

Mythos wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
the people who excel in all those areas, are essentially perfect people. the rest of us are born under a lesser god.

^

Also, I think this covers the most basic of aspects but doesn't really delve into them. For example, you can't just lose weight. It's not an easy thing. Moreover, are people overweight through comfort eating, because of depression, because they can't find a partner or for other reasons? It's a vicious cycle for some.

I mean, I don't disagree. Of course making yourself a chiselled God like my Hades there would net you a decent partner but that's not easy for all people. To others, it's near impossible. To those with physical deformities, is it fair advice for them?


No one can "just lose weight." It requires burning more calories than you injest - it requires work, and discipline. Very, very, few people cannot lose weight (or alter their body composition) via diet and exercise. The vast majority of - almost all - humans, can in fact do so.

There you have it. Getting fit(ter) helps make people more attractive. Making yourself a "chiselled god," isn't easy for anyone. Those that are "chiselled gods," worked very hard to be that way. It's a bit easier for some & more difficult for others, but in general nearly anyone can get fitter. Of COURSE it's fair advice to people with deformities, as even people with deformities can get physically fitter than they used to be. Can they match someone born with the ideal characteristics? Perhaps not.. but so what? Life isn't fair. Some people are going to have things easier. Some people are better looking. That's just the way things are. But that doesn't mean people with deformities shouldn't bother trying or making an effort to improve themselves to better their chances.


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17 Sep 2018, 3:01 am

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You are the extreme odd one out, IMO.


That's only because most people have been indoctrinated by the "dating culture". Fortunately, I never got any information about how you are supposed to get into a relationship, and so I acted naturally.

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NT, ND, all are human. Dating is dating, courtship is courtship. ND people simply have much more difficulty learning how to do it is all.


Completely wrong. First, 20% of female and 10% of male NDs are asexual (https://psyarxiv.com/stpma/). Second, 21% of female and 9% of male NDs are non-cisgender (https://psyarxiv.com/np9h8/). Third, infatuation is much stronger in NDs, and dating destroys the infatuation and thus harms the attachment process (https://psyarxiv.com/dw4u2/). Does this look to you as "dating" is "dating" and "courtship" is "courtship"? It certainly doesn't to me, at least.

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You suggesting that ND people are going to end up in LTR’s via not dating & being non verbal (What IS your suggestion? Interpretive dance?) is downright bizarre & May be applicable to You but isn’t something I would say is blanket advice for ND people. Not by a long shot.


The most important issue in getting a soulmate if you are ND is to establish a natural communication channel, and this is a mind-to-mind connection that cannot be established if you do dating or talk to each other. Once you have the mind-to-mind communication setup you can share feelings without talking and have nonverbal exchanges. It becomes impossible to lie, and your desires & wishes automatically become known by your partner. IOW, it solves all the issues that NDs typically have problems with in a natural way rather than by adapting to NTs.



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17 Sep 2018, 3:03 am

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the world doesn't seem to need my genes, and I don't seem to need this world in equal measure. but I was put here anyways, whether or not I liked it or anybody else liked it. either god has a sense of humor, or [struck by lightning if I said it].

We are glad you are here, if you are still here.



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17 Sep 2018, 3:30 am

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There are very broad generally societally accepted criteria for attractiveness that people can work on improving in themselves. Very broad basic applicable to all things like: Physical fitness via diet and exercise (this is probably the Number 1 thing that single people commonly work on in order to become more attractive to others), mental health, hairstyle/grooming/personal hygiene, aesthetics/wardrobe/fashion sense, education/skills, earning capacity/finances, organization/tidiness/cleanliness, social skills etc. In general, improving one, some, or all of these things (and more, this is not intended to be a complete list) tends to make people more attractive to others.


Another NT list that completely lacks relevance.

I forgot to mention that many NDs don't care much about physical attractiveness (and certainly not about fashions, social status or passing as NT). Instead, many NDs seem to be sapiosexual (attracted to intelligence). I'd add that it is possible to have spiritual sex if you have a mind-to-mind connection.