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09 Feb 2022, 8:07 am

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They're on dating sites. Most of them have kids though, but the OP said he wasn't interested in women with kids.


Life is about compromise. I knew a PhD student in the 1990s who was 22 yrs old and was dating a 45 year old woman. They eventually got married after he submitted his PhD. He was 25 and she was 48.

were they able to have kids?


Good question! no they didn't. She wasn't interested in kids as she married one :wink:


Or maybe she couldn't have them anymore?

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*rimshot* touché :)


To be fair the dude still made a good catch. She was actually very attractive for her age and they worked in the same lab (she was working the same job for the same professor in the mid 1970s before her future husband was born.


That's creepy. 10 years age difference in one thing. But being more than twice her husband's age/old enough to be his mother/already an adult college graduate when he was born is just plain wrong.

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Actually you won't believe this but he was 5foot6 and she was 6foot tall. He must have liked tall ladies > young ones.


cyberdad wrote:
Actually he;s a nerd with long hair looks exactly like the Richard Langley from X-Files


You're assuming that he actually preferred her over younger women, when in fact its likely that he just couldn't get a younger woman.

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she was his teacher in school! talk about fantasies coming true! lucky man, GD it. grumble grumble....


This just went from creepy to outright predatory. At the very least, she was grooming him when she was his teacher.

Nobody would be saying sh!t like this if it was a male teacher who dated and married his former student once she turned 18.



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09 Feb 2022, 8:31 am

I don't get what's "creepy" about a purely consensual relationship between two consenting adults. I really don't!

By the way, on occasion, I have been the "younger guy" in the relationship. I've never been the "older guy." I've never felt "exploited" by the older women with whom I dated.



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09 Feb 2022, 8:47 am

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I don't get what's "creepy" about a purely consensual relationship between two consenting adults. I really don't!

By the way, on occasion, I have been the "younger guy" in the relationship. I've never been the "older guy." I've never felt "exploited" by the older women with whom I dated.



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09 Feb 2022, 8:48 am

22 years old, is not 12 years old. How is that grooming or predatory.
See, thats why you cant find anybody, cause you keep saying everything is creepy and feeling sorry for yourself.
Double standards exist.
But if anything, it's more acceptable for some rich old guy , to keep a trophy wife half his age.
A younger man, want to be with an older woman, is truly going against the grain.
Same with older woman, really going for younger guys.
I think 'Cougars' are a minority.
Would willing fall prey to them though...lol
If any happen to come my way.
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Men will f**k literally anything. It's hard wired into us. You could be missing limbs. Male arousal is a funny thing sometimes. :shrug:
Testosterone + and visual stimuli of naked flesh = f*****g. That's the warm hard facts.


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09 Feb 2022, 9:13 am

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I don't get what's "creepy" about a purely consensual relationship between two consenting adults. I really don't!


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22 years old, is not 12 years old. How is that grooming or predatory.


She was his teacher when he was a kid.

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But if anything, it's more acceptable for some rich old guy , to keep a trophy wife half his age.


I'm not rich.

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One of the open secrets of being a man is:
Men will f**k literally anything. It's hard wired into us. You could be missing limbs. Male arousal is a funny thing sometimes. :shrug:
Testosterone + and visual stimuli of naked flesh = f*****g. That's the warm hard facts.


I've had opportunities to "f**k literally anything" and I refused to. I've tried it once. Never again.

I've left strip clubs disappointed because none of the naked girls there appealed to me. There are porn stars I won't watch because they just don't do it for me.

Oddly enough, missing limbs aren't necessarily a turnoff if I think a woman is pretty and I like her personality.



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09 Feb 2022, 9:21 am

There's a woman on some TV show having to do with "marrying upon first meeting" who is a "little person."

She's so darned cute!

A 19th century President, Andrew Johnson, married his teacher. So did James Garfield, another 19th century President. Nobody objected to this. It's not rare for a person to fall in love with his/her mentor. I find this sort of thing to be natural, actually.

I feel the Woody Allen thing----he marrying his "sort of stepdaughter"----might be a little creepy. I wouldn't think that this is a healthy relationship. I wouldn't have done this. But the "sort of stepdaughter" never minded. They are still married.



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09 Feb 2022, 10:44 am

The French President, Macron, married his teacher.



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09 Feb 2022, 10:59 am

Reason why lot of people take issues with older adults dating newly adults or adults under the age of 25 is due to brain development. Most men seeking women under the age if 25 are easy to groom and manipulate so people think you are some sort of predator. If you are disabled, people will be asking you if your much older parter is aspie too.

Most people won't take an issue if a 43 year old dates a 60 year old because the 43 year old has had far more life experience and will be harder to groom.


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09 Feb 2022, 11:02 am

LOL....I'm 61-years-old.....and can't groom anybody even today!

But I still wouldn't go out with somebody in their 20s were I not married. Because I'm attracted to people of older ages.



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09 Feb 2022, 12:30 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Reason why lot of people take issues with older adults dating newly adults or adults under the age of 25 is due to brain development. Most men seeking women under the age if 25 are easy to groom and manipulate so people think you are some sort of predator. If you are disabled, people will be asking you if your much older parter is aspie too.

Most people won't take an issue if a 43 year old dates a 60 year old because the 43 year old has had far more life experience and will be harder to groom.


If a lot of people take issue with this, then how come the government doesn't make the age of consent 25 then to rule out people under 25 being manipulated?



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09 Feb 2022, 3:18 pm

ironpony wrote:
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Reason why lot of people take issues with older adults dating newly adults or adults under the age of 25 is due to brain development. Most men seeking women under the age if 25 are easy to groom and manipulate so people think you are some sort of predator. If you are disabled, people will be asking you if your much older parter is aspie too.

Most people won't take an issue if a 43 year old dates a 60 year old because the 43 year old has had far more life experience and will be harder to groom.


If a lot of people take issue with this, then how come the government doesn't make the age of consent 25 then to rule out people under 25 being manipulated?


Because then they would have to raise the age for military service to 25 as well. And the last thing the government want to do is wait for young men to have the time to be capable of making mature well thought out decisions about enlisting.



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09 Feb 2022, 3:44 pm

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That's creepy. 10 years age difference in one thing. But being more than twice her husband's age/old enough to be his mother/already an adult college graduate when he was born is just plain wrong.


It was consensual. The dude was a an adult.

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Nobody would be saying sh!t like this if it was a male teacher who dated and married his former student once she turned 18.


I did mention she was a lab tech (something I also used to do). She had been washing and autoclaving agar plates for 25 years for the same professor in the same lab. As the dude was a PhD student and preparing to be an academic his status was much higher (he was her senior). So there was no taking advantage,

My best guess is the pair would have spent a lot of time talking to each other, He was doing his project and she was busy washing his plates :lol:

It wasn'r a case of a creepy professor taking advantage of a young female grad student (BTW that was rife back in the 80s/early 90s but the government actually introduced legislation banning fraternising between university teachers/students)



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09 Feb 2022, 4:46 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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That's creepy. 10 years age difference in one thing. But being more than twice her husband's age/old enough to be his mother/already an adult college graduate when he was born is just plain wrong.


It was consensual. The dude was a an adult.

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Nobody would be saying sh!t like this if it was a male teacher who dated and married his former student once she turned 18.


I did mention she was a lab tech (something I also used to do). She had been washing and autoclaving agar plates for 25 years for the same professor in the same lab. As the dude was a PhD student and preparing to be an academic his status was much higher (he was her senior). So there was no taking advantage,

My best guess is the pair would have spent a lot of time talking to each other, He was doing his project and she was busy washing his plates :lol:

It wasn'r a case of a creepy professor taking advantage of a young female grad student (BTW that was rife back in the 80s/early 90s but the government actually introduced legislation banning fraternising between university teachers/students)


Didn't you say she was his teacher when he was in school? He might have been an adult when they got married, but as his teacher she had ample opportunity to groom him when he was younger. And his choice to marry her even as an adult might have still been a result of that grooming from when he was a minor.



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09 Feb 2022, 4:57 pm

The lady is an adult. Whether she was "groomed" by the teacher or not, doesn't mean all that much. Especially if there was no exploitation going on---if it was just a flirtation, and it was mutual. The lady made the decision to be the guy's boyfriend AS AN ADULT.

I had crushes on teachers when I was an adolescent. I never had a teacher reciprocate----but I wish they had! I wish they had "groomed" me.

I was fortunate in being sort of naive----yet still able to tell if somebody was exploiting me. I guess I could have been potentially been the victim of exploitation by a teacher, though.

The laws are in the books for a good reason.

I see a serious problem when a teacher exploits the students----gives the student preferential treatment because they are "involved." Or actually exploits them emotionally and physically. Practicing blackmail. Threatening consequences if the student doesn't do his/her bidding. That is felonious conduct, in my opinion. Worthy of years in prison.



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09 Feb 2022, 5:25 pm

Today he would be a still virile 50 year old man with a 73 year old wife who lunches with the Golden Girls.

More confirmation of the truth of the Lesson of the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz: conferring a college degree upon someone is not the same thing as conferring a brain.



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09 Feb 2022, 5:33 pm

The Golden Girls were actually relatively "with it." They were pretty hip old ladies!

I sure wouldn't mind hanging out with them.