applying pickup skills in real life - an example

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Im not sosure its to the level of manipulation that people claim it is. Id be totally against it if it was.

Yes, the idea of pick up material is to engage in sex for personal or selfish gain by any means possible, you might as well go out and take advantage drunk girls, I'm sure that's encouraged somewhere in pick up material since they only seem to think with their penises and not their heads.

It's better to just be honest and learn the basics of conversation, body language, wit and how to reciprocate instead of saying some cheesy pick up line that's the opposite of your true personality. Women can smell fake confidence from a mile away, so it's better to build confidence in who you really are as a person, at least that way you will have conviction.

If you are acting extroverted when you're really introverted, you are showing that you're ashamed of being introverted and that isn't going to land you a steady relationship or a girlfriend that accepts you for you, perhaps you'll get laid by drunk girl at a party that doesn't have a clue of who you really are as a person and once that facade drops or falls down, she will see right through you.

I agree, pick up artist material will tell you how to get a girl and how to create a good first impression, it can get a foot in the door but it doesn't cover what to do once you're in a relationship, that only comes from experience and time.

I have to wing it. If I was running a system I'd feel dishonest. I couldnt stand that for one minute.

Most of the guys in my Lair seem to be into building attraction and sexual tension to critical mass, and then culminating in mindblowing sex.
It's a positive experience for both the male and the female involved, but it's definitely called a game for a reason.

For sure. It took me several years to get to a place where I know that I can walk into a bar and leave with at least one promising lead to follow up on. Keep in mind though that people lie on the internet, and the reports from guys in your Lair might not be 100% true.

For the record, I've never joined a lair or anything besides some of the online forums. I would never meet up with people for the sole purpose of going out and practicing pick-up. Just keep track of your own experiences and things'll make sense after a while.

And to the poster who claimed that cheesy pick-up lines are dumb--everyone already agrees with you. There are no "pick-up lines" being taught besides the best one of all: "Hi."

But yes, when done right, you're "in the zone" and it's hugely rewarding for the woman as well--that's the part people seem to be missing or misunderstanding.

The truth is that any given method won't turn a good person into a bad one or vice versa. Well-intentioned people could make use of any method in a positive, constructive way, while malicious people could use any method to manipulate and deceive.

Thats harsh for no reason. Nothing you said there is a norm.

Ok, according to another forum member who im living with she says I have all of those you listed. Im not going to gain confidence with more failures and its not going to grow for no reason either. So until I can get confidence by means of a mask Im not going to have the real thing.

Who says you have to completely destroy your personality? Theres many ways to skin a cat.

Nothing covers that. Im sure those articles in cosmopolitan telling how to land the perfect guy dont say what to do after getting him either.

I wasn't directing it at you personally and I'm not saying that you are personally going out to exploit women for your own gain by any means necessary. I'm saying that caution must be taken because I have seen pick up material and even books that promote being dishonest or making up stories to gain an advantange. It's not always a case of any tactics that work are the right tactics, especially if you are going to end up being dishonest with yourself and those you are trying to attract. If you wear a mask, you will only attract a girl that doesn't know the real you.

Conviction and accepting yourself are the first steps, those that wear a mask are ashamed of what they really are and if women see through the mask, they will only think you are transparent and hollow.

I am familiar with this stuff. I think it can help. It's not going to turn you into a super player. Far from it. Its not going to help you exploit women, most aspie guys are the ones who usually get exploited by NT women, reading this stuff will not turn the table. Trying this stuff at work, bad idea, you dont want to loose your livelihood over a social mistake, and you will make plenty trying this stuff. All it takes is one sex harassment charge, saying your sorry you made a mistake may do little to save you.

I have know guys like this RooshV before there was a PUA thing. It is fun to listen to there stories, they are kind of like a freelance journalist telling their story. With the PUA thing there is some new honesty about human behavior. You know I was jealous because they got so many girls. But really I could never be like them because it is not who I am.

Still I think real hands on experience is the only way to learn. The book, DVD, MP3 - not going to do much. You have to find a safe environment where you can make social mistakes without loosing your livelihood or freedom. I think it is the only real way to make social progress.

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it's the hands on approach that gets you the sexual harassment charge haha. i think all in all it's best to focus on friendships before attempting anything in dating. otherwise you end up dating someone that fills the void of friendship, romance, sexual need, everything. then you're in a vulnerable position where the floor can collapse at any minute. PUA stuff aint gonna help anyone acheive the foundations