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21 Feb 2013, 10:40 am

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What I wanted to say to OP was not to write off all NT women. There are some that deviate from the normal cookie-cutter type, some with quirks, and the sort of sensitvity you're after I'm sure. They are rare creatures too but aspie women even rarer.


The problem is likely that it's the child-like way of aspies, and their intelligence, that I truly connect to. NT's have "grown out of their inner child". I know that's how it's "supposed" to be. But that doesn't help in regards of love. Most people seem quite friendly but not warm! I need that warmth. :sunny:

please do not stereotype us all like that. of all the aspies i have met, few have been anything like that at all. so it's not really an accurate descriptor. where are you getting this from?


I think he is referring to that imagination, naivety and playfulness that we seem to have, he isn't talking about the level of maturity or intelligence. Many people on the spectrum can be extremely smart when it comes to certain subjects but they can still be emotionally naive. He could also be talking about the childlike features that females on the spectrum seem to have.

i haven't seen any more imagination, playfulness in aspies as compared to NTs - read any diagnostic criteria or description of aspies and it just isn't in there. in fact, it is the absence of imaginative play in childhood is one criteria that can lead to the diagnosis of autism.

naivety depends on the aspie - theory of mind can lead to more naivety. but what does that say about a person if they are intentionally seeking out naive partners? it seems like it would be a strange thing to actively seek out.

we don't really have "childlike features" so i am not sure what you are on about with that. and it seems to me that it would be very, very weird if someone actually intentionally wanted to find a partner who looked like a child.


I have done intensive research as well as met dozens of people on the spectrum from this very site and something I have encountered is childlike features. However I don't know if this is a coincidence or not.

However you are correct that the lack of imagination can lead to a diagnosis, in fact in my report from the behavioural genetics clinic. It says lack of imagination was one of the contributing factors and I scored well above the Autism cut off score for communication qualitative impairments.

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2 Qualitative abnormalities in communication are manifest in at least one of the following areas
(b) relative failure to initiate or sustain conversational interchange (at whatever level or language skills is present), in which there is reciprocal responsiveness to the communications of the other person
(d) Lack of varied spontaneous make believe or (when young) social imitative play."


It seems that you are correct after reviewing my diagnosis and I clearly made a mistake. I'm not sure what the OP is referring towards by his observations of childlike behaviour.



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21 Feb 2013, 12:58 pm

Okay, I understand why that description is confusing.

I have met some aspies, but I have met far more NT's. I guess that's natural.

To be more clear it's not like I think all aspies have this innocence/emotionally naivety about them. I just know some do. Without having any evidence other than experience I think it's closely connected to the math/computer/programming/music-type aspie minds.

Elvis Presley is (as far as I can see) an example of a guy with that personality. Girls can have it too.



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21 Feb 2013, 1:17 pm

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please do not stereotype us all like that. of all the aspies i have met, few have been anything like that at all. so it's not really an accurate descriptor. where are you getting this from?


You're right, not all aspies have those characteristics...



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21 Feb 2013, 1:35 pm

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naivety depends on the aspie - theory of mind can lead to more naivety. but what does that say about a person if they are intentionally seeking out naive partners?


Wouldn't want a naive partner. Would like one that at the beginning thought the world was entirely good, but has learned otherwise.


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it seems like it would be a strange thing to actively seek out.


Not if it's the one thing that'll make you truly fall in love :wink:



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21 Feb 2013, 1:40 pm

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Okay, I understand why that description is confusing.

I have met some aspies, but I have met far more NT's. I guess that's natural.

To be more clear it's not like I think all aspies have this innocence/emotionally naivety about them. I just know some do. Without having any evidence other than experience I think it's closely connected to the math/computer/programming/music-type aspie minds.

Elvis Presley is (as far as I can see) an example of a guy with that personality. Girls can have it too.


I've seen NTs in those programs with those traits. I see it mainly in people who grew up sheltered by their parents

Perhaps you are just looking for someone who was sheltered from the harsh realities of life. You can find them in many places if you really wanted to... I don't know why anyone would actively seek out a naive person, though, like hyperlexian said... :?

Saw your new post... I still don't get it. Oh well. Seek and you will find.


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21 Feb 2013, 1:45 pm

For instance,

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The innocence and warmth is evident, in my opinion. This is what I refer to as child-like.

Turn that guy into a girl and I'd be all over her :D


No wonder it's difficult for me if even you guys don't get me.



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21 Feb 2013, 2:02 pm

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Perhaps you are just looking for someone who was sheltered from the harsh realities of life. You can find them in many places if you really wanted to...


Personally I think that that personality type is determined genetically. I have nothing but intuition to support it, so I might be wrong.



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21 Feb 2013, 3:34 pm

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Depends on what you mean. So far, the descriptions are pretty vague. I agree with hyperlexian; think long and hard about why you want those specific qualities. Good luck with your search.


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21 Feb 2013, 3:43 pm

In my bed!! But then left due to mutual sensory issues!! ! :lol:


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21 Feb 2013, 3:46 pm

deltafunction wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Depends on what you mean. So far, the descriptions are pretty vague. I agree with hyperlexian; think long and hard about why you want those specific qualities. Good luck with your search.


I really don't feel like there's a choice. There is no other way I'll fall in love :?

Thanks a lot :wink:


I'm actually quite surprised you don't get me...



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21 Feb 2013, 3:52 pm

I "get you" qawer.

I've read quite a lot of literature too, and know what you are talking about.

Someone here suggested that it is mainly people who grew up sheltered by their parents.

I beg to differ.

I was anything but.

I am not going into details as I have been bullied about it in the past, but I can be quite naive and retain a lot of my childlike traits.



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21 Feb 2013, 4:09 pm

Well, don't forget it's not for no reason aspiesandra appeals to me....

I'm just not sure whether she could actually handle me, it's like taming a wildlife lion you know.... :mrgreen:



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21 Feb 2013, 4:13 pm

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21 Feb 2013, 4:14 pm

qawer, I'm wayyyyyyy too old for you. Even with the childlike sprinkles. :oops:



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21 Feb 2013, 4:14 pm

Elvis was described as having something of a childlike spirit at times, but he was also almost exclusively attracted to young teenage girls. he wouldn't necessary have sex with them, but he'd only hang with them until they were older teenagers then toss them out like yesterday's trash. innocent? maybe. but i don't see anything "warm" about that.

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In similar terms, Brent D. Taylor has stated that "Elvis's closest female relationships were usually with young girls of around 13 or 14, ending as they reached late teens. He didn't have sex with these young girls, but had pajama parties, pillow fights and indulged in 'girl talk', just as he did with Gladys."[41] "As a perpetual youth", Elvis was "attracted to young women",[42] and "Elvis felt comfortable with these adolescent girls" because he "was so insecure ... That’s why he needed younger girls."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_r ... is_Presley
i think Elvis is one of those idols where you either "get" him or you don't... and i've always been firmly in the latter category.


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21 Feb 2013, 4:28 pm

I believe the girls at that age had a "childlike spirit" similar to his. When they grew older their differences became too great. I'm not here to defend what Elvis did and didn't do - but I understand him.

hyperlexian, I understand why you don't understand or "get it" it if you don't have that "childlike spirit" yourself. It would somehow be strange if you did.


I had some idea all aspies felt that way, but I see it's only a fraction.