The UCSB shooter--an Aspie with a rant against women
See above. No better if a woman does it.
Wow sorry dude
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I'm sorry about that, too, AspieOtaku. That's just awful.
I should clarify something, too. (And am going to go wildly off-topic to do it.) My feminism actually has very little to do with having been raped. I mean I remember it all quite well, and it put me in a bad space for a few days, but this was back before people talked much about rape, and it was quite a long time before I even understood that I had been raped. (I think this is still common, unfortunately, but I'll come back to that.) I suspect actually that the focus on rape has a good deal to do with a crazy-sexist view of what's valuable about women: our vaginas. Violate the vagina, that's the biggest crime.
But -- nuts as it may sound -- I'm actually more than a vagina, and what made me start paying attention to sexism and feminism was being visibly pregnant, and then spending about five years being, visibly, a mother. After having spent a couple of decades being taken seriously for who I am, and for the work I did -- and getting paid, in spendable money, for working. Overnight, though, I turned into a nonentity that was expected to have dust bunnies for brains and be delighted to take a whopping hit to earning power, while working very hard almost around the clock. At work for which there's very little respect. (Taking care of fragile little people is often very dull work, but it's also hard work, and it's extremely important, but there's almost no respect for it -- on the contrary, small children are regarded as a nuisance in the important-work world, and those who show up there with small children aren't viewed as doing anything serious.) People would try to have these inane conversations with me about, I don't know, nursery decorations, clerks would ignore me, and I found it extremely difficult to find mothers' groups that presumed the mothers actually had lives, thoughts, etc. beyond motherhood. The pressure to be a beaming empty-headed love-vessel who never thinks of, say, her own retirement account is intense -- even I felt it, and felt it hard.
So that's when I started reading, and looking around, and holy s**t, to this day, what the everloving f**k, when it comes to how women get boxed in, blamed, robbed, you name it. I think the kicker came when I started working at a women's center, and right away I started doing all the usual things a working mother does: it's a game called Hide the Fact That You're a Mother. It's a huge amount of work, and it's driven by the fear that if your employer thinks you're unreliable because one of those softheaded woman-mother creatures, you'll get canned, never get promoted, be a bad worker, etc. So you spend a crazy amount of time organizing things so that you can be in two places almost at once, you're forever tucking your kid(s) into corners and pretending your life isn't a disorganized, sleepless hell so that you can sound prepared and sane during your phone conferences. Like I said, I got down to business with this -- and then got stopped. Because the people at the women's center made it very plain that:
- I was important
- my work for them was important and valued
- my work as a mother was important and valued
- I deserved and was receiving respect
- there was no need to hide the fact that I had a child
- things would move at a sane pace that took into account the fact that I was doing the important work of being mother to a young child
- and I would not have to negotiate for any of this: I could take it for granted. Not out of pity or grudgingly, but because my work and I were both respected.
And...I can't describe the spa-like feeling that it was. I remember thinking, "This must be what it's like to be a man." It was incredible. Of course, it was also very local. When I went through divorce, I found once again that women are expected to be need-free alms-seekers who want nothing in life but their children's happiness and a basket of clean laundry. Showing up in court with a career is still a risky thing to do, if you're a divorcing woman. I also found that while it's normal for dudes to wander away from their kids, and indeed if they do their ex-wives will still often be blamed for it, if you're a mother without custody of your children, you pay a very heavy social price. You're also expected to maintain the kids' relationship with the dad, even if he's kind of an awful guy. I've seen appellate cases where the judges waved away the fact that the guy had been physically abusive, even one where the guy aimed a shotgun at the mom. A momentary indiscretion -- she was still ordered to maintain the relationship and send the kids off unsupervised with the dad.
So -- while being raped was no basket of flowers, it's the pervasive disrespect, of me and of other women, that keeps me so committed to these conversations. That disrespect is expensive, it's dangerous, it grinds women down, and I see no good reason for it.
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Just to answer the question of had that killer ever posted here, I can not say with any certainty, but odds are no, most people here wouldn't put up with his apparent abusive tenancies and hatefulness toward women. people would have noticed and spotted that right off here, esp the women and the moderators.
What I don't like is anymore its becoming commonplace to say anyone who murders is an autistic and an aspie. makes me concerned of future mistreatment of my son and me and others like us because of those labels. its starting to make me wish we were never tested/labeled. as far as I am concerned and by what I have seen, yes autistics can get vary socially frustrated, but for the most part were vary peaceful, if anything were more prone to being abused then to be the abusers.
Take me for instance, I was bullied from first grade to last, in my travels more then once I got beat up by police who simply didn't want me passing through their counties as a transient, and I even been raped once by a gay cop. it would be horrible to be labeled as potentially abusive and violent just because of being autistic, esp when I am a total pacifist and have more then once been the victim of others hate and violence, a target simply because of being different and autistic. right now I am trying to get on disability simply because I am afraid of people and want hardly much to do with them past the Internet.
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Yep most rapists are sociopaths although feminists usually like to pretend they're NT. Probably as a convenient way to diss on men in general.
the man who raped me was not a sociopath.
starvingartist, sorry for hearing that, I don't know what exactly defines sociopath, but no man who rapes is sane, at least not morally sane.
I think maybe you've got some dramatic ideas about what date rape is, Boo. It's just a form of "I'm allowed." Just like, decades ago, it used to be totally fine to slap dat ass walking by in the office. A perk, right? I'm allowed. And my dick is so practically inside her anyway, now that I've given her that finger she didn't know she wanted, and I want to; I'm allowed. Cause if she didn't want it, why'd she wear that? Come out with me? Say hello? Look at me? And, at bottom, there's this idea about getting away with it, because it's yours by right, no? Allowed.
It's just a matter of not actually noticing that the other person is a person, for a convenient span of time.
Maybe morally wicked is the right term, and yes I think cultural influence is one of the reasons.
Like other day while I was heading to my apartment, a salafi-looking young man (long beard, white abaya...etc) who was with a veiled young woman approached me and asked me "please sir, we can't go up to the elevator together, can you escort us?". He literally begged me so I escorted them anyway. Right after I did a research about this odd behavior and turned out that fundamentalists have this belief that any non-blood relative woman who is present with a man alone together then everything is 'allowed'.
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I should clarify something, too. (And am going to go wildly off-topic to do it.) My feminism actually has very little to do with having been raped. I mean I remember it all quite well, and it put me in a bad space for a few days, but this was back before people talked much about rape, and it was quite a long time before I even understood that I had been raped. (I think this is still common, unfortunately, but I'll come back to that.) I suspect actually that the focus on rape has a good deal to do with a crazy-sexist view of what's valuable about women: our vaginas. Violate the vagina, that's the biggest crime.
But -- nuts as it may sound -- I'm actually more than a vagina, and what made me start paying attention to sexism and feminism was being visibly pregnant, and then spending about five years being, visibly, a mother. After having spent a couple of decades being taken seriously for who I am, and for the work I did -- and getting paid, in spendable money, for working. Overnight, though, I turned into a nonentity that was expected to have dust bunnies for brains and be delighted to take a whopping hit to earning power, while working very hard almost around the clock. At work for which there's very little respect. (Taking care of fragile little people is often very dull work, but it's also hard work, and it's extremely important, but there's almost no respect for it -- on the contrary, small children are regarded as a nuisance in the important-work world, and those who show up there with small children aren't viewed as doing anything serious.) People would try to have these inane conversations with me about, I don't know, nursery decorations, clerks would ignore me, and I found it extremely difficult to find mothers' groups that presumed the mothers actually had lives, thoughts, etc. beyond motherhood. The pressure to be a beaming empty-headed love-vessel who never thinks of, say, her own retirement account is intense -- even I felt it, and felt it hard.
So that's when I started reading, and looking around, and holy sh**, to this day, what the everloving f**k, when it comes to how women get boxed in, blamed, robbed, you name it. I think the kicker came when I started working at a women's center, and right away I started doing all the usual things a working mother does: it's a game called Hide the Fact That You're a Mother. It's a huge amount of work, and it's driven by the fear that if your employer thinks you're unreliable because one of those softheaded woman-mother creatures, you'll get canned, never get promoted, be a bad worker, etc. So you spend a crazy amount of time organizing things so that you can be in two places almost at once, you're forever tucking your kid(s) into corners and pretending your life isn't a disorganized, sleepless hell so that you can sound prepared and sane during your phone conferences. Like I said, I got down to business with this -- and then got stopped. Because the people at the women's center made it very plain that:
- I was important
- my work for them was important and valued
- my work as a mother was important and valued
- I deserved and was receiving respect
- there was no need to hide the fact that I had a child
- things would move at a sane pace that took into account the fact that I was doing the important work of being mother to a young child
- and I would not have to negotiate for any of this: I could take it for granted. Not out of pity or grudgingly, but because my work and I were both respected.
And...I can't describe the spa-like feeling that it was. I remember thinking, "This must be what it's like to be a man." It was incredible. Of course, it was also very local. When I went through divorce, I found once again that women are expected to be need-free alms-seekers who want nothing in life but their children's happiness and a basket of clean laundry. Showing up in court with a career is still a risky thing to do, if you're a divorcing woman. I also found that while it's normal for dudes to wander away from their kids, and indeed if they do their ex-wives will still often be blamed for it, if you're a mother without custody of your children, you pay a very heavy social price. You're also expected to maintain the kids' relationship with the dad, even if he's kind of an awful guy. I've seen appellate cases where the judges waved away the fact that the guy had been physically abusive, even one where the guy aimed a shotgun at the mom. A momentary indiscretion -- she was still ordered to maintain the relationship and send the kids off unsupervised with the dad.
So -- while being raped was no basket of flowers, it's the pervasive disrespect, of me and of other women, that keeps me so committed to these conversations. That disrespect is expensive, it's dangerous, it grinds women down, and I see no good reason for it.
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Your neurotypical score is 40 of 200
You are very likely an aspie
No matter where I go I will always be a Gaijin even at home. Like Anime? https://kissanime.to/AnimeList
I should clarify something, too. (And am going to go wildly off-topic to do it.) My feminism actually has very little to do with having been raped. I mean I remember it all quite well, and it put me in a bad space for a few days, but this was back before people talked much about rape, and it was quite a long time before I even understood that I had been raped. (I think this is still common, unfortunately, but I'll come back to that.) I suspect actually that the focus on rape has a good deal to do with a crazy-sexist view of what's valuable about women: our vaginas. Violate the vagina, that's the biggest crime.
But -- nuts as it may sound -- I'm actually more than a vagina, and what made me start paying attention to sexism and feminism was being visibly pregnant, and then spending about five years being, visibly, a mother. After having spent a couple of decades being taken seriously for who I am, and for the work I did -- and getting paid, in spendable money, for working. Overnight, though, I turned into a nonentity that was expected to have dust bunnies for brains and be delighted to take a whopping hit to earning power, while working very hard almost around the clock. At work for which there's very little respect. (Taking care of fragile little people is often very dull work, but it's also hard work, and it's extremely important, but there's almost no respect for it -- on the contrary, small children are regarded as a nuisance in the important-work world, and those who show up there with small children aren't viewed as doing anything serious.) People would try to have these inane conversations with me about, I don't know, nursery decorations, clerks would ignore me, and I found it extremely difficult to find mothers' groups that presumed the mothers actually had lives, thoughts, etc. beyond motherhood. The pressure to be a beaming empty-headed love-vessel who never thinks of, say, her own retirement account is intense -- even I felt it, and felt it hard.
So that's when I started reading, and looking around, and holy sh**, to this day, what the everloving f**k, when it comes to how women get boxed in, blamed, robbed, you name it. I think the kicker came when I started working at a women's center, and right away I started doing all the usual things a working mother does: it's a game called Hide the Fact That You're a Mother. It's a huge amount of work, and it's driven by the fear that if your employer thinks you're unreliable because one of those softheaded woman-mother creatures, you'll get canned, never get promoted, be a bad worker, etc. So you spend a crazy amount of time organizing things so that you can be in two places almost at once, you're forever tucking your kid(s) into corners and pretending your life isn't a disorganized, sleepless hell so that you can sound prepared and sane during your phone conferences. Like I said, I got down to business with this -- and then got stopped. Because the people at the women's center made it very plain that:
- I was important
- my work for them was important and valued
- my work as a mother was important and valued
- I deserved and was receiving respect
- there was no need to hide the fact that I had a child
- things would move at a sane pace that took into account the fact that I was doing the important work of being mother to a young child
- and I would not have to negotiate for any of this: I could take it for granted. Not out of pity or grudgingly, but because my work and I were both respected.
And...I can't describe the spa-like feeling that it was. I remember thinking, "This must be what it's like to be a man." It was incredible. Of course, it was also very local. When I went through divorce, I found once again that women are expected to be need-free alms-seekers who want nothing in life but their children's happiness and a basket of clean laundry. Showing up in court with a career is still a risky thing to do, if you're a divorcing woman. I also found that while it's normal for dudes to wander away from their kids, and indeed if they do their ex-wives will still often be blamed for it, if you're a mother without custody of your children, you pay a very heavy social price. You're also expected to maintain the kids' relationship with the dad, even if he's kind of an awful guy. I've seen appellate cases where the judges waved away the fact that the guy had been physically abusive, even one where the guy aimed a shotgun at the mom. A momentary indiscretion -- she was still ordered to maintain the relationship and send the kids off unsupervised with the dad.
So -- while being raped was no basket of flowers, it's the pervasive disrespect, of me and of other women, that keeps me so committed to these conversations. That disrespect is expensive, it's dangerous, it grinds women down, and I see no good reason for it.
I think the reason rape makes me so mad is I view sex as an extremely emotional act, I view the body a extremely private part of a person. I believe in respecting people, that everyone has the right to be free and happy. Rape violates all of those :'( I can't think of a worst then besides slow torture to death. I have also felt to a smaller extent and seen through friends the emotional pain and fear it causes, so when i hear of rape i tend to get super emotional.
as for the other stuff, is it an office job? I've never worked any office jobs, the jobs I've worked women get equal pay and respect, if anything they tend to get special treatment. most my bosses have been women. I wonder if the reason i've never seen any of this stuff is cause its more done in office/ corporate jobs. i've never seen or heard anyone in my area complain about it which could be cause we are a left leaning state? I believe now it happens, why would you all lie. Just growing up in my area women have all been equal or the more powerful gender, so when I hear this stuff i'm just confused. It probably like going from the north to the south and seeing the different treatment of races. Again never seen much racial stuff here when I grew up, now back in the 60s there was a big clan following and our governor was a kkk member, my city was the city next to the sundown city.
only sexism i've seen besides the gender wars is that women get certain rights that men don't like they can take a duffel bag into stores claiming its a purse, but i can't bring my backpack in. it upsets me kinda but not enough to fuss over ,but some guys have gotten really upset over it at store doors.
glad you found a place that treats you as a equal, I don't get why being a mother would be seen as a bad thing or why women can do both . they seem to around here just fine.
^^ Im done talking about rape lets get back to the main topic of the psychotic killer.
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What agenda?
I've been quick to point out similarities, that there's a lot in his attitude that would fit in here, as well as elsewhere - the point being that his ideas and attitudes are very far from unusual, though the extremity of them surely is.
There's a difference between 'he was this way because of AS' and 'he held entitled, misogynistic views that can be found amongst many men, including here'.
I would suggest worrying less about those pointing about similarities, and more about the similarities themselves.
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You know sometimes, between the dames and the horses, I don't even know why I put my hat on.
I think for most the pizza rule applies -- not all pizza's great pizza, but even meh pizza's pretty good. Unless you're sick, or lactose-intolerant, or whatever, in which case leave it alone.
I just wanted to pull this out of the discussion and highlight it. This is the most balanced, sensible thing anyone has ever written on here. Brilliantly worded too.
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There's no anti AS agenda.
AS would of had nothing to do with it, unless he also had some kind of personality disorder. There has never been shown to be a correlation between AS and violence like this.
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