OliveOilMom wrote:
I'm putting this here because it fits a lot of the discussions we have here right now, and also because I want input from guys and gals as well.
Why is it seen as a bad thing if a woman is strong enough to stand her ground and take care of herself and she wants to empower other women to do the same? Why do the same women who say "We don't want men to open our car doors for us, we don't need that, we are capable of doing it ourselves and don't need to be treated like glass!" then turn around and say "We need protection from whiners saying words we don't like!"? I really want to know that. I do. I really do.
We want equality, but yet we still want to have our little ears and eyes shielded from offensive things. You want to be equal to men, but you don't want any of the responsiblity for handling yourself that men have for themselves. We will not be taken seriously as equals until we stop picking and choosing which things we are weak about and which things we are strong about.
This is just a guess since I usually end up confused or offending someone on the infrequent occasions I see that kind of stuff.
A lot of concepts in women's rights are new. Even watching shows from the 80s I can see how different workplaces are now from how they were then. And rights for non-binary gender type people and those with different preferences are just beginning in terms of modern history.
I see people on different sides who are kind of extreme, but most people seem like they want folks treated fairly and equally these days. Don't get me wrong, there is still so much to do, but a lot is happening in a good direction.
I think we're at this juncture where the old norms regarding behavior are dying but new ones aren't established yet. So people who still want the old order are fighting hard and there are still terrible things that happen and lots of sexism, and this is worse in some places and some circles than others. And lots of people suggest different new norms that may or may not catch on. Maybe when people do stuff like you're talking about they're at a particular place in their understanding and it will all settle someday? Maybe it's a reaction to being badly hurt in a particular way and they want space to heal but it comes across as censorship? Idk.