Why are strong women seen as the enemy?

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15 Jul 2014, 11:10 pm

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Attention yay!! ! can i have a hug now? :oops:


*hug*
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*hugs* to both of you sweeties. with extra attention to otaku.


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16 Jul 2014, 4:52 am

Ann2011 wrote:
vickygleitz wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Ann2011 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Attention yay!! ! can i have a hug now? :oops:


*hug*
Awww thanks *hugs back*


*hugs* to both of you sweeties. with extra attention to otaku.


*Triple hugs*


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16 Jul 2014, 8:01 am

Hm ? strong as in ?can break your backbone with a hug?? :P


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16 Jul 2014, 9:08 am

I definitely would not see these women as my enemy.
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16 Jul 2014, 9:39 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I'm putting this here because it fits a lot of the discussions we have here right now, and also because I want input from guys and gals as well.

Why is it seen as a bad thing if a woman is strong enough to stand her ground and take care of herself and she wants to empower other women to do the same? Why do the same women who say "We don't want men to open our car doors for us, we don't need that, we are capable of doing it ourselves and don't need to be treated like glass!" then turn around and say "We need protection from whiners saying words we don't like!"? I really want to know that. I do. I really do.

We want equality, but yet we still want to have our little ears and eyes shielded from offensive things. You want to be equal to men, but you don't want any of the responsiblity for handling yourself that men have for themselves. We will not be taken seriously as equals until we stop picking and choosing which things we are weak about and which things we are strong about.


Good question! However, I'm incredibly attracted to strong women so maybe I'm an anomaly.



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17 Jul 2014, 2:33 am

Ann2011 wrote:
vickygleitz wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Ann2011 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Attention yay!! ! can i have a hug now? :oops:


*hug*
Awww thanks *hugs back*


*hugs* to both of you sweeties. with extra attention to otaku.


*Triple hugs*
*Quadrupal hugs*


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17 Jul 2014, 8:57 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
I'm putting this here because it fits a lot of the discussions we have here right now, and also because I want input from guys and gals as well.

Why is it seen as a bad thing if a woman is strong enough to stand her ground and take care of herself and she wants to empower other women to do the same? Why do the same women who say "We don't want men to open our car doors for us, we don't need that, we are capable of doing it ourselves and don't need to be treated like glass!" then turn around and say "We need protection from whiners saying words we don't like!"? I really want to know that. I do. I really do.

We want equality, but yet we still want to have our little ears and eyes shielded from offensive things. You want to be equal to men, but you don't want any of the responsiblity for handling yourself that men have for themselves. We will not be taken seriously as equals until we stop picking and choosing which things we are weak about and which things we are strong about.


This is just a guess since I usually end up confused or offending someone on the infrequent occasions I see that kind of stuff.

A lot of concepts in women's rights are new. Even watching shows from the 80s I can see how different workplaces are now from how they were then. And rights for non-binary gender type people and those with different preferences are just beginning in terms of modern history.

I see people on different sides who are kind of extreme, but most people seem like they want folks treated fairly and equally these days. Don't get me wrong, there is still so much to do, but a lot is happening in a good direction.

I think we're at this juncture where the old norms regarding behavior are dying but new ones aren't established yet. So people who still want the old order are fighting hard and there are still terrible things that happen and lots of sexism, and this is worse in some places and some circles than others. And lots of people suggest different new norms that may or may not catch on. Maybe when people do stuff like you're talking about they're at a particular place in their understanding and it will all settle someday? Maybe it's a reaction to being badly hurt in a particular way and they want space to heal but it comes across as censorship? Idk.



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17 Jul 2014, 9:01 am

I feel that political correctness, while essentially "correct," does eat into one's quality of life.



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17 Jul 2014, 2:17 pm

Oh come on guys, let the women have what they want, if you do not like it just don't date those kinds of women. problem solved.


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20 Jul 2014, 9:42 pm

I think confidence and independence is attractive in a woman. I don't think a confident woman is more inclined to mistreat a man, cruelty is fueled by insecurity.



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22 Jul 2014, 4:29 pm

When you're strong, you're seen as a contender and not a conquest. When you're strong, you're neither dependent nor co-dependent. When a woman is strong, the guy must be on his best behavior so as not to lose her - this gives you control in the relationship - guys aren't used to this. They want to have complete control so they can be lazy when they want without the threat that you'll pick up and go.



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22 Jul 2014, 4:53 pm

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When you're strong, you're seen as a contender and not a conquest. When you're strong, you're neither dependent nor co-dependent. When a woman is strong, the guy must be on his best behavior so as not to lose her - this gives you control in the relationship - guys aren't used to this. They want to have complete control so they can be lazy when they want without the threat that you'll pick up and go.


Before I get my inbox flooded with PMs complaining about sexism, I'm going to advise you write SOME guys next time.

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22 Jul 2014, 10:19 pm

RightGalaxy wrote:
When you're strong, you're seen as a contender and not a conquest. When you're strong, you're neither dependent nor co-dependent. When a woman is strong, the guy must be on his best behavior so as not to lose her - this gives you control in the relationship - guys aren't used to this. They want to have complete control so they can be lazy when they want without the threat that you'll pick up and go.

I've loved such a woman... Being loved in equal return, by she who didn't need anyone, felt quite the honor.



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23 Jul 2014, 3:52 pm

because the man wants to keep you down, and theres a very good reason the man is called the man and not the person. same reason why the media says that Muslims are sexist and that nympomania (i.e. women wanting to have casual sex) is a mental disease. its all just BS to keep women down. id argue that half the reason polygamy's illegal is because certain churches dont like others. its all about controlling people and making sure those in power dont loose it. a celebrity rapes someone everyone says he's innocent, a celebrity touches little boys everyone says he's innocent. justin beiber dedides to repeat the another countries religion when touring and the news acts like he joined al quida. its all about power.