What are your thoughts on gay marriage?

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19 Apr 2007, 4:44 am

Gay means happy, so I think a happy marriage is the desired outcome...doesn't matter what's in your undies! 8O



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23 Apr 2007, 6:10 am

It should be legal. We live in a stupid society!



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23 Apr 2007, 6:29 am

I see all marriage as a useless and archaic waste of money (give the money to those who need it goddamn it!), and it’ll most likely be the portent of what leads to the downfall of humanity…na, we’ve never been high enough to fall.

If homosexuals want to throw money at ministers so they can continue to blasphemy (the irony!), rather than feed the starving; good for them: I cannot tell people how to live or love.

I can still mock them though! HAHAHAHAHA!



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23 Apr 2007, 6:50 am

it should be legal everywhere, anything else is dicrimination



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23 Apr 2007, 6:57 am

If by some miracle I find myself a lovely lady to marry, I somehow doubt the homosexuals of the world will rise up and damn me to hell for it, so I certainly shan't be doing the same to them.

Let them get on with it, it hardly affects me.


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23 Apr 2007, 9:42 pm

Having seen a few references to Leviticus in this thread, I thought it important to point out that Leviticus 18:22 is widely held by most theologians and Biblical scholars as an incorrect translation and as such it is not generally used in debates about sexuality. The exact meaning of the original Hebrew is unclear, but its word usage and context is agreed widely as referring only to male-male anal sex (possibly within the context of pagan sex rituals enacted for blessing crops). Nothing more than male-male anal sex can in any way be exacted from the original scripture - and in its context, it is not even cast as a 'sin', but as an 'abomination' (translation of the Hebrew phrase for abomination is unclean, dirty) along with the rest of the 'Holy Code' (see list below).

As for the wider scope of 'homosexuality', this is NOT referred to at all in the original scriptures. Nothing is mentioned about gay relationships. The Hebrews simply weren't interested in the issue, as it seems, neither was Jesus who never once made mention of it (though he had things to say about adultery and also what will become of people who make judgement about others.....).

But whatever this verse means, it is not alone. All of the following are cited as abominations against the Lord....

Consulting with a psychic or medium or had a tarot card reading (20:6)
If you’re a man and have had sex without taking a shower and cleaning the sheets immediately after. (15:16)
Touched a woman while she was menstruating (19:19)
Had a juicy steak or hamburger (17:10)
Eaten pork (11:7)
Have a tattoo (19:26)
Stolen anything at anytime in your life (19:13)
Had a dog that produced a litter of pups (19:19)
Worked on a Saturday (19:3)
Eaten crab, squid or shrimp (11:10)
Talked back to your parents (19:3)
Said “I hate you” to a parent or sibling (19:17)
Unjustly judged your neighbour (19:15)
Kept something you found without trying to find the owner (6:3)
Planted 2 different kinds of seeds in the same pot/garden bed (20:19)
Worn a cotton/wool fibre mix (20:19)
Having sex with an animal (20:15-16)
Harvesting your entire garden (19:9)
Trimmed your beard or the hair around your temples (19:27)
Gotten out of bed later than either parents or grandparents (19:32)
Not returned incorrect change (19:35)
Cheated on a test (19:35)
Eaten rabbit (11:6)

That's quite some hit-list! Of course, some of these might be mistranslations too, or have out-of-context meanings today, but if we are going to take 'homosexuality is an abomination' from the passage as 'fact', then we should treat the rest of Leviticus likewise. So, go check your clothes labels and your gardens quickly!

Gay marriage was legalised in the UK in 2005. I celebrate that and consider it one of the greatest achievements of our Government.



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23 Apr 2007, 10:04 pm

Thanks for all of that info (a lot I've forgotten, since childhood). I hope it'll help some people rethink their prejudices.



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24 Apr 2007, 4:28 am

Danielismyname wrote:
I see all marriage as a useless and archaic waste of money (give the money to those who need it goddamn it!), and it’ll most likely be the portent of what leads to the downfall of humanity…na, we’ve never been high enough to fall.


My marriage saved my wife and I a good sum of money while she was in school.
Especially considering that it cost us $35.


Danielismyname wrote:
If homosexuals want to throw money at ministers so they can continue to blasphemy (the irony!), rather than feed the starving; good for them: I cannot tell people how to live or love.


Somehow, I suspect that both they and the official (not necessarily religious) who would marry them would see it differently. There are significant economic effects of marriage. It is NOT a church issue - as shown by the fact that churches will 'marry' senior citizens, without state licence, so that the couple can still receive larger social security benefits.



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29 Apr 2007, 10:34 am

While I'm against the concept itself, I believe gays should have the right to marry if they want to. A gay marriage amendment would be unconstitutional.

When it comes to adoption, I think a gay couple can adopt a child. One partner acts masculine and the other acts feminine. A developing child needs the balance of both characteristics.

A child raised by a gay couple is better than a child raised by a single mother or father. Children raised with one parent tend to have emotional problems later in life.



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29 Apr 2007, 10:43 am

let them marry-it's not hurting anyone-infact it's making two people happy



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29 Apr 2007, 12:30 pm

I don't see anything wrong with it so i don't see how anyone should have the right to stop it. It only concerns the gays, so everyone else should just lay off it. If you're against same sex marriage, fine, don't marry someone of the same sex as yourself! is that hard? Are you afraid of accidently marrying a big hairy gay man if it's legal!? Idiot!

However, i don't think we should have the right to force churches and religious groups to marry gays. It's their private club and they should be allowed to have whatever rules they want. If gays want to get married in a certain church, they have a few options. If they think the church has it wrong they can either try to change it from inside (with no help from society) or they can start a new church that basically practices the same religion but changes that certain rule (and any other rule they might not like). If they think the religion shouldn't have to change, but they still want o get married they're, i'm afraid t say, idiots. Either they will just have to accept that they can't get marriedand probably also that there is something wrong with them or they're in the wrong religion!
But we can't foce a religious group to change their rules. A better option would be to remove religious groups right to marry anyone. They can still keep the ceremony, but the legal stuff is all taken care of by society. yeah! Let's do that!

the difference between same sex marriage and marrying several people is that it's hard to keep a marriage like that equal for all parties. It's not discriminatory to keep marriage in check, so to speak, by only allowing to people ata a time to marry eachother. When it comes to siblings, the reason they're not allowed to marry is because if they had kids they'd be f****d up and it's probably bad for them psychologically aswell, so it's not the same at all. I can't see how that would even compare.

Edit: i would just like to state for the record that i did not censor my own profanity by writing f*****. I hate censorship, even if it's just dirty words and would like to object to this. I don't believe anyone takes any harm in reading the word f ucked.



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29 Apr 2007, 12:36 pm

badwhippet wrote:
All of the following are cited as abominations against the Lord....
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Worn a cotton/wool fibre mix (20:19)


8O

I'm DOOMED! !!



Laser wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with it so i don't see how anyone should have the right to stop it. It only concerns the gays, so everyone else should just lay off it. If you're against same sex marriage, fine, don't marry someone of the same sex as yourself! is that hard? Are you afraid of accidently marrying a big hairy gay man if it's legal!? Idiot!

However, i don't think we should have the right to force churches and religious groups to marry gays. It's their private club and they should be allowed to have whatever rules they want.


In Canada, the legislation that made same-sex marriage legal also says that churches and religious groups who object to homosexuality are under no obligation to perform a gay marriage ceremony. This makes perfect sense to me. After all, a Catholic priest could refuse to perform a wedding for me on the grounds that I am not Catholic.

Me, I am still waiting for someone to come up with a logical, reasoned response to the question "How does allowing gay people to marry each other infringe upon your own freedom?".


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29 Apr 2007, 12:55 pm

I hate bitchy little Christians who say it's not "God's will". What a load of BS. How are they to know what God's will is? Especially as sexuallity is something you are born with, not something you choose. If it wasn't God's will, why would God have made homosexual people in the first place?



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29 Apr 2007, 2:54 pm

If God is real, I don't think he endorses half of the things that are said or done in his name. :P



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29 Apr 2007, 4:35 pm

DejaQ wrote:
If God is real, I don't think he endorses half of the things that are said or done in his name. :P

True dat fo' shizzle.

And now, I must go and drink beer. God told me so.



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29 Apr 2007, 4:41 pm

Anyone should be granted the right to marry anyone else despite gender. Love is love.