Is it unfair of me to ask my gf for a prenup in this case?

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22 May 2016, 6:28 pm

Please go to the birthday party. Why wouldn't you go?

As Bender stated, maybe you should postpone the wedding until this issue is ironed out.

I see problems when a person refuses permission for others to have separate bank accounts.



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22 May 2016, 7:00 pm

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I don't mean to not go to her birthday out of REVENGE, I just feel like I would be loosing my self respect if I go, based on people saying she is manipulating me.

Plus people say not to bring things up with her while she is upset, but she is always the one bringing up things to me, so I talk about these things with her, when she brings them up usually.


But it's strangers on the internet who don't know the woman telling saying that? I mean how would you feel if she ignored your birthday because strangers on the internet made an assumption you were being manipulative or had less than honest intentions?

I mean you've been with her 3 years, do you feel she's been manipulating or taking advantage of you...or are you just going to believe she must be because someone on the internet made that judgement. It is probably best to seek some kind of couples counseling...maybe put the marriage on hold till you and her can sort some of this out.

If she fights you on everything though then it might be best to break things off since it takes two to make it work one person can't do it all and keep the other person happy at the same time. But with counseling there would be a mediator to hear both sides and give a non-biased objective assessment on what the both of you could work on or source of what seems to be some communication problems.

People on the internet haven't interacted with her, and quite frankly I think it's kind of rude people have taken it upon themselves to talk trash about your girlfriend to convince you to just immediately ditch her that's not non-baised objective advice, seems more like bitter people egging on a break up.


I don't think it's rude at all. If you are going to air your dirty laundry to people you don't know and ask for their advice - I'm saying exactly what I think. I'm not going to paint the situation as all roses if I don't think it is.


Of course you don't think it's rude...otherwise you wouldn't be doing it, I however think it is rude and I try not to insert my bitterness about things into advice if I try to give it.

There is a difference between painting a situation as roses and egging on a break up because you assume the worst of people you haven't even met.


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22 May 2016, 7:05 pm

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i see ZERO problem with her having gone to a movie with someone else. i would do it now and i'm in a good marriage. ironpony was invited and decided not to go. i had no problem with my husband today being one of two people, the other female, in a writer's group meeting for three hours. he is trustworthy.


Well then maybe you need to be NT to see what's wrong with this picture because 2 co-workers think it's bizarre as hell and so do I.

The best friend should have paid for both - not just ironpony's fiance. Idk, maybe NT women do see the situation differently.

i know plenty of NT's who would have no problem with this. i see your way as controlling and overjealous, which usually springs from insecurity. not saying you're insecure. everyone has different styles. but it's something to look at.

getting back to the OP, she asked ironpony's permission to go, and he gave it. ironpony was invited, but declined.


I believe it's the context not just her going to a movie with a friend. But she wanted him to pay he said he could, so she was like oh well then I'll just get your friend(ex?) to pay for it. She probably flirted to do so. It was a ultimative either he does it or she'll just get some other guy to do it for her. Sorry if you can't see that but I'd piss me off too.

If she'd just been like one day hey I'm going go see s movie with you friend. It'd be fine. Sounds like she's being childish and wanted it to hurt him. Like w kid of a divorced parents putting them up against each other to get the things they want.

How is it childish to accept an invite to a movie and let the person who invited you pay for the ticket? Sounds like that is what happened. But I guess since ironpony was tired she should have followed suit regardless of if she was ready to go home for rest or not. I could understand if ironpony wanted to spend time with her and she turned him down to go to the movie but it doesn't seem like that is what happened.


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22 May 2016, 9:10 pm

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sly, read all the posts in this thread. i've sided with ironpony, too.

also, you're reading into the situation. we have no evidence she flirted to get a free movie or that she has a habit of flirting for money.

angela, on the money issue, i think they need to come to an understanding. i agree it may be a deal-breaker.

Yes but it's been my experience and that of others,men don't just do things randomly for girls. Men will however do lots of things if it means getting any attention from a pretty girl.



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22 May 2016, 9:11 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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i see ZERO problem with her having gone to a movie with someone else. i would do it now and i'm in a good marriage. ironpony was invited and decided not to go. i had no problem with my husband today being one of two people, the other female, in a writer's group meeting for three hours. he is trustworthy.


Well then maybe you need to be NT to see what's wrong with this picture because 2 co-workers think it's bizarre as hell and so do I.

The best friend should have paid for both - not just ironpony's fiance. Idk, maybe NT women do see the situation differently.

i know plenty of NT's who would have no problem with this. i see your way as controlling and overjealous, which usually springs from insecurity. not saying you're insecure. everyone has different styles. but it's something to look at.

getting back to the OP, she asked ironpony's permission to go, and he gave it. ironpony was invited, but declined.


I believe it's the context not just her going to a movie with a friend. But she wanted him to pay he said he could, so she was like oh well then I'll just get your friend(ex?) to pay for it. She probably flirted to do so. It was a ultimative either he does it or she'll just get some other guy to do it for her. Sorry if you can't see that but I'd piss me off too.

If she'd just been like one day hey I'm going go see s movie with you friend. It'd be fine. Sounds like she's being childish and wanted it to hurt him. Like w kid of a divorced parents putting them up against each other to get the things they want.

How is it childish to accept an invite to a movie and let the person who invited you pay for the ticket? Sounds like that is what happened. But I guess since ironpony was tired she should have followed suit regardless of if she was ready to go home for rest or not. I could understand if ironpony wanted to spend time with her and she turned him down to go to the movie but it doesn't seem like that is what happened.


From what I remember she asked him, not him asking her. That's not accepting an invite. She asked iron to take her and he said no so she asked the friend to instead.



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22 May 2016, 9:15 pm

i don't think that's the situation, sly.



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22 May 2016, 9:36 pm

sly279 wrote:
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i see ZERO problem with her having gone to a movie with someone else. i would do it now and i'm in a good marriage. ironpony was invited and decided not to go. i had no problem with my husband today being one of two people, the other female, in a writer's group meeting for three hours. he is trustworthy.


Well then maybe you need to be NT to see what's wrong with this picture because 2 co-workers think it's bizarre as hell and so do I.

The best friend should have paid for both - not just ironpony's fiance. Idk, maybe NT women do see the situation differently.

i know plenty of NT's who would have no problem with this. i see your way as controlling and overjealous, which usually springs from insecurity. not saying you're insecure. everyone has different styles. but it's something to look at.

getting back to the OP, she asked ironpony's permission to go, and he gave it. ironpony was invited, but declined.


I believe it's the context not just her going to a movie with a friend. But she wanted him to pay he said he could, so she was like oh well then I'll just get your friend(ex?) to pay for it. She probably flirted to do so. It was a ultimative either he does it or she'll just get some other guy to do it for her. Sorry if you can't see that but I'd piss me off too.

If she'd just been like one day hey I'm going go see s movie with you friend. It'd be fine. Sounds like she's being childish and wanted it to hurt him. Like w kid of a divorced parents putting them up against each other to get the things they want.

How is it childish to accept an invite to a movie and let the person who invited you pay for the ticket? Sounds like that is what happened. But I guess since ironpony was tired she should have followed suit regardless of if she was ready to go home for rest or not. I could understand if ironpony wanted to spend time with her and she turned him down to go to the movie but it doesn't seem like that is what happened.


From what I remember she asked him, not him asking her. That's not accepting an invite. She asked iron to take her and he said no so she asked the friend to instead.


I thought it said the friend asked ironpony and his girlfriend if they wanted to go to a movie, ironpony declined due to being tired and having already seen a movie that day, and his girlfriend took up the offer and mentioned she didn't have money for a movie ticket, friend offered to get hers(probably would have offered to get his had he said the same) so she accepted.

Where are you guys getting that she asked ironpony to take her to a movie and he wouldn't so that is why she went to see the movie with their friend? I got that her and Ironpony saw a movie, the friend called and asked if they wanted to see another movie...he refused and she accepted.

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After the movie, my best friend sent us both a text, asking us to see a movie. I told him that I just came from a movie and I was tired and didn't feel like seeing anther one. She called him back saying she will go but she has no money. So my friend offered to pay for her, and she went with him instead, and I went home.


where is the part where Ironpony said no I will not take you to a movie? and where is the part where the girlfriend called up the friend and said 'my boyfriend wont take me to a movie, will you take me instead'. To me it sounds like they were both invited and one of them chose to decline.


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22 May 2016, 9:44 pm

and she asked ironpony's permission and he said "yes."



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23 May 2016, 6:35 am

I'll break this down by events.

Not mentioning you were going to talk to a lawyer -- 3/10. Not a big deal, but she has a right to be miffed.
Threatening you with no children and no sex -- 7/10. Red Flag! But probably just said in the heat of the moment.
Not going to her birthday -- 6/10. This would be uncool. Go to her birthday party.
Claiming you have no balls -- 6/10. This is also uncool. She seems to say a lot of crap when she gets angry.
Going to the movies with your friend -- 0/10. Doesn't matter. Friends can go to the movies together.

If you can safely postpone the marriage then you may want to consider doing so, because the way she is acting and the way you are posting here suggests that some problems need to be worked out first. But don't give up on her. She seems to say some hurtful things in the heat of the moment, and needs to work on her anger management. When things have cooled down, you should make a strong effort to talk to her calmly about expectations and finances for the future. I would definitely stick to your guns about the prenuptial agreement, because that is the responsible and intelligent thing to do.



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23 May 2016, 3:46 pm

If she's that upset over not having your money then perhaps her motivations are more financial than for love.. if it were simply about love for her, then whether she had access to your wealth or not should be irrelevant. I'd let her leave if she wants to and then move on with your life with someone who's more interested in you than in your money.


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23 May 2016, 7:57 pm

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If she's that upset over not having your money then perhaps her motivations are more financial than for love.. if it were simply about love for her, then whether she had access to your wealth or not should be irrelevant. I'd let her leave if she wants to and then move on with your life with someone who's more interested in you than in your money.


Well if people are going to be together it makes sense they'd pool resources together at least to an extent. I mean are there couples where whenever they go out they pay separately to the extent they'll simply go out alone and leave their S.O at home if they don't have money for it. Or purchase separate groceries and would let the other one go hungry if they run out of groceries and grocery money?

Obviously someones resources shouldn't be why you get with someone, but seems like a relationship where no sharing occurs wouldn't be a very loving one, it stands to reason most people imagine if they're in a LTR they and their S.O will be sharing resources and living together as they're supposed to care about each other and take care of each other and all that.


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24 May 2016, 12:19 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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If she's that upset over not having your money then perhaps her motivations are more financial than for love.. if it were simply about love for her, then whether she had access to your wealth or not should be irrelevant. I'd let her leave if she wants to and then move on with your life with someone who's more interested in you than in your money.


Well if people are going to be together it makes sense they'd pool resources together at least to an extent. I mean are there couples where whenever they go out they pay separately to the extent they'll simply go out alone and leave their S.O at home if they don't have money for it. Or purchase separate groceries and would let the other one go hungry if they run out of groceries and grocery money?

Obviously someones resources shouldn't be why you get with someone, but seems like a relationship where no sharing occurs wouldn't be a very loving one, it stands to reason most people imagine if they're in a LTR they and their S.O will be sharing resources and living together as they're supposed to care about each other and take care of each other and all that.


Ya, sure, that's why when people split it's often that the assets acquired during their marriage are split and what they brought into the relationship prior to marriage they keep for themselves. I never said anything about never pooling resources or sharing. I just see the OP's point of bringing $200k vs. $50 to the table & his logic in wanting to protect his assets. I also don't see the logic of the woman insisting she have access to his money if it's him that she loves and not his money.. seems like she's in it for his money, not his companionship. If it were about love and not money she wouldn't have such an issue with it.


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24 May 2016, 12:53 am

goldfish21 wrote:
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If she's that upset over not having your money then perhaps her motivations are more financial than for love.. if it were simply about love for her, then whether she had access to your wealth or not should be irrelevant. I'd let her leave if she wants to and then move on with your life with someone who's more interested in you than in your money.


Well if people are going to be together it makes sense they'd pool resources together at least to an extent. I mean are there couples where whenever they go out they pay separately to the extent they'll simply go out alone and leave their S.O at home if they don't have money for it. Or purchase separate groceries and would let the other one go hungry if they run out of groceries and grocery money?

Obviously someones resources shouldn't be why you get with someone, but seems like a relationship where no sharing occurs wouldn't be a very loving one, it stands to reason most people imagine if they're in a LTR they and their S.O will be sharing resources and living together as they're supposed to care about each other and take care of each other and all that.


Ya, sure, that's why when people split it's often that the assets acquired during their marriage are split and what they brought into the relationship prior to marriage they keep for themselves. I never said anything about never pooling resources or sharing. I just see the OP's point of bringing $200k vs. $50 to the table & his logic in wanting to protect his assets. I also don't see the logic of the woman insisting she have access to his money if it's him that she loves and not his money.. seems like she's in it for his money, not his companionship. If it were about love and not money she wouldn't have such an issue with it.


Also I just don't see anywhere the O.P said having access to his money is what she wants, if that is what it's about than the O.P probably does deserve better. I don't suggest people share bank accounts to where the other party can just spend as much of their money as they want but I thought the issue she was mad about him consulting a lawyer before talking to her about it.


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24 May 2016, 1:01 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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If she's that upset over not having your money then perhaps her motivations are more financial than for love.. if it were simply about love for her, then whether she had access to your wealth or not should be irrelevant. I'd let her leave if she wants to and then move on with your life with someone who's more interested in you than in your money.


Well if people are going to be together it makes sense they'd pool resources together at least to an extent. I mean are there couples where whenever they go out they pay separately to the extent they'll simply go out alone and leave their S.O at home if they don't have money for it. Or purchase separate groceries and would let the other one go hungry if they run out of groceries and grocery money?

Obviously someones resources shouldn't be why you get with someone, but seems like a relationship where no sharing occurs wouldn't be a very loving one, it stands to reason most people imagine if they're in a LTR they and their S.O will be sharing resources and living together as they're supposed to care about each other and take care of each other and all that.


Ya, sure, that's why when people split it's often that the assets acquired during their marriage are split and what they brought into the relationship prior to marriage they keep for themselves. I never said anything about never pooling resources or sharing. I just see the OP's point of bringing $200k vs. $50 to the table & his logic in wanting to protect his assets. I also don't see the logic of the woman insisting she have access to his money if it's him that she loves and not his money.. seems like she's in it for his money, not his companionship. If it were about love and not money she wouldn't have such an issue with it.


Also I just don't see anywhere the O.P said having access to his money is what she wants, if that is what it's about than the O.P probably does deserve better. I don't suggest people share bank accounts to where the other party can just spend as much of their money as they want but I thought the issue she was mad about him consulting a lawyer before talking to her about it.


Even if her issue was with him consulting a lawyer.. rather silly. She should put herself in his shoes.. you know, earn and save $200,000.00 and then see if she might want to see what her options are in terms of protecting it.


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24 May 2016, 7:52 am

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and she asked ironpony's permission and he said "yes."


"After the movie, my best friend sent us both a text, asking us to see a movie. I told him that I just came from a movie and I was tired and didn't feel like seeing anther one. She called him back saying she will go but she has no money. So my friend offered to pay for her, and she went with him instead, and I went home."

Am I missing something? Where does it say she asked permission?

You know what I think is the problem is that this is an etiquette issue in NT Land. I told my Ma about this situation and she also agreed it was wrong. In NT Land, her going out with her fiance 's best friend to a movie would have been seen by many NT women and some men as a "date" especially since the guy paid for it. I'll tell you this, if I had a fiance and he went to the movies with my BFF instead of going home with me - it's over. See, a couple are supposed to be in it together. If my Hunny doesn't have money or doesn't feel like doing something then I am in the same boat. The only way I would have seen the situation as ok is if she went to the movies with a girlfriend of hers and that would be AFTER making sure that her fiance didn't want to spend time with her. For me, my Hunny would come first then my BFF because my first real BFF should be my Hunny - I would only see my Hunny's BFF if we all went out as a group. A lot of the women here are probably going to think I'm strange, but that's how I see things. Once you get engaged, your soon-to-be-husband comes first.


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24 May 2016, 7:59 am

As long as they don't screw around, I don't see anything wrong with my "hunny" going to movies with other guys.

It's good for the relationship to have (Platonic) relationships outside the main relationship.

Couples who spend 100% of the time together tend to lose perspective on things. They tend to get into little petty arguments. It's just not a good situation.