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07 Jan 2017, 8:49 pm

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and Sweetleaf, even if some of your male friends use some curse/f language in front of you, some might be 10 times worse in front of guys only. I have seen these cases too.


All guys I know curse in front of me, and based on some of the subject matter thats come up in conversation when I'm around I doubt they're making an effort to curse less around me. If they are 10 times worse around just guys then I suppose I will never know.

Either way I was saying its not consistent in all places for it to be considered rude to swear in front of females.


IMO, it is. You're just.. different in the sense that you are autistic and likely behave as a bit of a tomboy, like "one of the guys," so they're comfortable swearing around you. I know I'm less conscious about my swearing around my (tomboyish) sister than I am around some girly girl I don't really know.


That sorta makes sense, I suppose you could say it kind of depends on the type of female....I imagine some of my friends/acquaintances might not swear around a female who comes off very girly and doesn't swear herself and don't swear around their grandmothers. But it still seems like guys who have some swear words thrown into their flow of speech will continue that in front of females in causal situations like hanging out with friends or at bars and concerts from what I've seen though.

Perhaps that kind of norm is still more prevalent than I assumed but I still don't think it should be considered rude to swear in front of someone just because of their gender, their demeanor and such should be considered as well as the situation.


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07 Jan 2017, 9:00 pm

I don't like cursing for cursing's sake.

I probably curse more in front of guys than woman. I hardly ever curse in front of a woman.

Never in front of little children.

Other, more flavorful words serve the purpose, and sound better.



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07 Jan 2017, 9:02 pm

I had a guy recently tell me that he felt like he was afraid to swear around me. I had no idea why that was, because I wouldn't have had a problem with it. He said I just seemed like a guy who never swears and would get offended if I heard it, which isn't true at all.



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07 Jan 2017, 9:11 pm

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I had a guy recently tell me that he felt like he was afraid to swear around me. I had no idea why that was, because I wouldn't have had a problem with it. He said I just seemed like a guy who never swears and would get offended if I heard it, which isn't true at all.


I bet it's, at least in part, because of your "aspie vocabulary." People listen to us and think we're so smart.. must be a doctor/lawyer/engineer type & that academic people are put off by "low brow" language.


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08 Jan 2017, 12:00 am

Much like how some people are naturally gifted with being good at math, some people are naturally gifted with traits that make them more succesful with the opposite sex. They're attractive, they're friendly and sociable, they know how to flirt, they're funny in a non creepy way, they know how put themselves out there etc... These are the people who don't have a lot of problems getting dates and getting sex because they know how to make people want them. And on the opposite end of the spectrum, there's those who struggle with finding a relationship, even getting a first date. They're not super attractive, they don't "get" flirting, they're more shy and reserved, they're on the autism spectrum. All of these things makes it harder and it involves months, even years of frustration before they ever have any success.



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08 Jan 2017, 2:16 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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and Sweetleaf, even if some of your male friends use some curse/f language in front of you, some might be 10 times worse in front of guys only. I have seen these cases too.


All guys I know curse in front of me, and based on some of the subject matter thats come up in conversation when I'm around I doubt they're making an effort to curse less around me. If they are 10 times worse around just guys then I suppose I will never know.

Either way I was saying its not consistent in all places for it to be considered rude to swear in front of females.


IMO, it is. You're just.. different in the sense that you are autistic and likely behave as a bit of a tomboy, like "one of the guys," so they're comfortable swearing around you. I know I'm less conscious about my swearing around my (tomboyish) sister than I am around some girly girl I don't really know.


That sorta makes sense, I suppose you could say it kind of depends on the type of female....I imagine some of my friends/acquaintances might not swear around a female who comes off very girly and doesn't swear herself and don't swear around their grandmothers. But it still seems like guys who have some swear words thrown into their flow of speech will continue that in front of females in causal situations like hanging out with friends or at bars and concerts from what I've seen though.

Perhaps that kind of norm is still more prevalent than I assumed but I still don't think it should be considered rude to swear in front of someone just because of their gender, their demeanor and such should be considered as well as the situation.


Often the case, It is not because men see women as "incapable to hear cursing".

But many women of these communities don't accept it either because they see it rude and even obscene; they would be like "Hey stop cursing!", "Don't curse!", or even giving a little lecture....etc
I've heard these being said to other men like thousand of times in my lifetime (and to me few times but I rarely curse even kn front of men) so far.

Men don't do that to other men.

So naturally men will filter their talk in front of women.



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08 Jan 2017, 3:24 am

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A prejudice means that you value someone or a situation having in mind some preconceptions and thus you're not objective.

merriam-webster dictionary wrote:
a : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


merriam-webster: prejudice

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These definitions you quoted don't match at all, can't you see it?


Your definition matches the first dictionary definition (a)

I am using the third dictionary definition (c) to describe what you are saying when you use the term "in general," which is: "an irrational attitude of hostility directed against a group or their supposed characteristics.

When you say that a group has it easier you are othering that group and those who you include in it. It's a prejudice.

This is so funny, I can't stop laughing! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Do you really find that saying men and women in general find different problems is "an irrational attitude of hostility? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Do you think they face the same problems?



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08 Jan 2017, 3:25 am

I would like to ask the women who pass by here if they really find that my "in general" is prejudicial. Please, answer!



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08 Jan 2017, 3:48 am

Peacesells wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
A prejudice means that you value someone or a situation having in mind some preconceptions and thus you're not objective.

merriam-webster dictionary wrote:
a : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


merriam-webster: prejudice

Peacesells wrote:
These definitions you quoted don't match at all, can't you see it?


Your definition matches the first dictionary definition (a)

I am using the third dictionary definition (c) to describe what you are saying when you use the term "in general," which is: "an irrational attitude of hostility directed against a group or their supposed characteristics.

When you say that a group has it easier you are othering that group and those who you include in it. It's a prejudice.

This is so funny, I can't stop laughing! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Do you really find that saying men and women in general find different problems is "an irrational attitude of hostility? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Do you think they face the same problems?

Men and women have different physical issues (men don't have menstrual cycles, for instance,) but as far as dating, I do believe they often share the same problems, such as were mentioned: social initiative, perceived desperation, etc. The attitude of hostility comes into play when the problems of some people are dismissed because of their gender. It is scapegoating based on gender.
Anyway, I don't really understand your passionate use of emoticons; perhaps this idea has not been presented to you before.



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08 Jan 2017, 4:03 am

Ooooh boy.. here we go! :lol:

..or I could just tell y'all the answer: Men and women face different challenges in love and dating. They may be equally as challenging for them to face, however, they are uniquely different challenges that are gender/gender role specific.


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08 Jan 2017, 4:10 am

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Men and women face different challenges in love and dating.

So what are the different challenges?



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08 Jan 2017, 4:15 am

androbot01 wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
A prejudice means that you value someone or a situation having in mind some preconceptions and thus you're not objective.

merriam-webster dictionary wrote:
a : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


merriam-webster: prejudice

Peacesells wrote:
These definitions you quoted don't match at all, can't you see it?


Your definition matches the first dictionary definition (a)

I am using the third dictionary definition (c) to describe what you are saying when you use the term "in general," which is: "an irrational attitude of hostility directed against a group or their supposed characteristics.

When you say that a group has it easier you are othering that group and those who you include in it. It's a prejudice.

This is so funny, I can't stop laughing! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Do you really find that saying men and women in general find different problems is "an irrational attitude of hostility? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Do you think they face the same problems?

Men and women have different physical issues (men don't have menstrual cycles, for instance,) but as far as dating, I do believe they often share the same problems, such as were mentioned: social initiative, perceived desperation, etc. The attitude of hostility comes into play when the problems of some people are dismissed because of their gender. It is scapegoating based on gender.
Anyway, I don't really understand your passionate use of emoticons; perhaps this idea has not been presented to you before.

ROFL I am not dismissing anything. :lol: If a girl has a problem and I think that problem is most usually common in males, I am not dismissing her problem. I am not saying "you are a woman, so it is impossible that you have that problem". Infact that's what I meant with "in general", that a sex can also have the problems most commonly experienced by the other sex, but it's less common.
Some men do experience catcalling, so is it offensive to these men if I say that catcalling is mostly experienced by women? No, I don't think so.
Also I like emoticons.
goldfish21 wrote:
Ooooh boy.. here we go! :lol:

..or I could just tell y'all the answer: Men and women face different challenges in love and dating. They may be equally as challenging for them to face, however, they are uniquely different challenges that are gender/gender role specific.

Thank you!



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If a girl has a problem and I think that problem is most usually common in males, I am not dismissing her problem. I am not saying "you are a woman, so it is impossible that you have that problem". Infact that's what I meant with "in general", that a sex can also have the problems most commonly experienced by the other sex, but it's less common.
Some men do experience catcalling, so is it offensive to these men if I say that catcalling is mostly experienced by women? No, I don't think so.

That's a good example because both men and women experience being catcalled. I suspect both find it offensive. So why break it down on gender lines at all? It's a lazy shortcut that others half the population. Far too often people will make generalizations about groups in order to say that others have it easier than people in "their" group. This only leads to resentment based on nothing.



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08 Jan 2017, 4:32 am

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If a girl has a problem and I think that problem is most usually common in males, I am not dismissing her problem. I am not saying "you are a woman, so it is impossible that you have that problem". Infact that's what I meant with "in general", that a sex can also have the problems most commonly experienced by the other sex, but it's less common.
Some men do experience catcalling, so is it offensive to these men if I say that catcalling is mostly experienced by women? No, I don't think so.

That's a good example because both men and women experience being catcalled. I suspect both find it offensive. So why break it down on gender lines at all? It's a lazy shortcut that others half the population. Far too often people will make generalizations about groups in order to say that others have it easier than people in "their" group. This only leads to resentment based on nothing.


Um, how about because it's approximately a 98% female vs. 2% male problem? I'd say that's reason enough to differentiate it as being an issue faced, in general, by women.


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08 Jan 2017, 4:34 am

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Why do some people get partners so easy?
They look good and and attract people they like.
Or, they're positive and don't set ridiculous standards.

Enjoy the text pyramids and semantics, folks!
Both good ways to attract lifelong partners but I was referring to the way the get casual sex partners and/or partners on very short notice.

Of course I don't think casual sex is any substitute for proper relationships but to me it's a mystery how people even get engaged in casual sex at all.


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08 Jan 2017, 4:34 am

androbot01 wrote:
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If a girl has a problem and I think that problem is most usually common in males, I am not dismissing her problem. I am not saying "you are a woman, so it is impossible that you have that problem". Infact that's what I meant with "in general", that a sex can also have the problems most commonly experienced by the other sex, but it's less common.
Some men do experience catcalling, so is it offensive to these men if I say that catcalling is mostly experienced by women? No, I don't think so.

That's a good example because both men and women experience being catcalled. I suspect both find it offensive. So why break it down on gender lines at all? It's a lazy shortcut that others half the population. Far too often people will make generalizations about groups in order to say that others have it easier than people in "their" group. This only leads to resentment based on nothing.

But it is not a lame generalization. If you take 100 women and 100 men and see how many experience being catcalled, you'll see that it's much more common in women. It is just a fact, I don't see why we would ignore this data.
Dismissing is another thing, I can say that catcalling is mostly experienced by women but still take it seriously when it's experienced by men, I honestly don't see a contradiction in that.