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18 Sep 2017, 7:55 am

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Once upon a time before modern conveniences a woman would have had a lot to do at home unless she was rich and hired servants, but they were not the majority.

But the average woman would have had a lot of physical work to do at home. So she wasn't freeloading.

We haven't adapted well to new circumstances weirdly. People just want more and more and bigger and better. People who are satisfied with a simple life are spurned as weirdos.

Just gotta find another person who isn't materialistic to be your partner.

It's more than gender roles. It's a commercialised advertising industry. The whole system is geared towards making people dissatisfied with what they have.

MGTOW philosophy doesn't seem to have a solution to that other than to make women as exhausted as men as they run on the corporate treadmill to seek more and more.


Maybe it's because culture is a by product of our biology, and not the other way around, that's why we don't adapt, or maybe even can't adapt. That the advertising industry should play such a huge role on our mating strategies sounds like an absurd theory to me, and not at all plausible. It seems to me we're just dancing around the elephant in the room at this point, which is biology.

I have to give credit where it's due, I take my hat off to wanderlust. Not only does
she understand how mating actually works, but she has been very open and honest aswell. Look, I totally get why this discussion angers alot of women. I can only speak for myself, but I am not in any way out to harm women or anything like that.

But I think what we've uncovered here, is that the way men and women "love" is completely different. And in my estimation this will not ever ever change. MGTOW is the answer because it advocates that men should choose to follow their heart, instead of slaving away at a job they hate, even if the consequence is that they may not be able earn enough to attract a female.


Previous generations lived much more simple lives. They didn't strive for SUVs and iPhone's for example. We don't need these things but we're bombarded with advertising for them and people fall for it. They really do. Men and women.

When all the working classes were doing similar jobs like miners and factory workers it was probably easier to find a compatible partner because your wife would expect you to stay in that job like all her friend's husbands were staying in their miner for life/factory worker for life type jobs.


What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).



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18 Sep 2017, 8:04 am

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hurtloam wrote:
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hurtloam wrote:
Once upon a time before modern conveniences a woman would have had a lot to do at home unless she was rich and hired servants, but they were not the majority.

But the average woman would have had a lot of physical work to do at home. So she wasn't freeloading.

We haven't adapted well to new circumstances weirdly. People just want more and more and bigger and better. People who are satisfied with a simple life are spurned as weirdos.

Just gotta find another person who isn't materialistic to be your partner.

It's more than gender roles. It's a commercialised advertising industry. The whole system is geared towards making people dissatisfied with what they have.

MGTOW philosophy doesn't seem to have a solution to that other than to make women as exhausted as men as they run on the corporate treadmill to seek more and more.


Maybe it's because culture is a by product of our biology, and not the other way around, that's why we don't adapt, or maybe even can't adapt. That the advertising industry should play such a huge role on our mating strategies sounds like an absurd theory to me, and not at all plausible. It seems to me we're just dancing around the elephant in the room at this point, which is biology.

I have to give credit where it's due, I take my hat off to wanderlust. Not only does
she understand how mating actually works, but she has been very open and honest aswell. Look, I totally get why this discussion angers alot of women. I can only speak for myself, but I am not in any way out to harm women or anything like that.

But I think what we've uncovered here, is that the way men and women "love" is completely different. And in my estimation this will not ever ever change. MGTOW is the answer because it advocates that men should choose to follow their heart, instead of slaving away at a job they hate, even if the consequence is that they may not be able earn enough to attract a female.


Previous generations lived much more simple lives. They didn't strive for SUVs and iPhone's for example. We don't need these things but we're bombarded with advertising for them and people fall for it. They really do. Men and women.

When all the working classes were doing similar jobs like miners and factory workers it was probably easier to find a compatible partner because your wife would expect you to stay in that job like all her friend's husbands were staying in their miner for life/factory worker for life type jobs.


What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).


And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.



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18 Sep 2017, 8:15 am

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I know a girl who likes to ironically say she wants to blow me. How the hell am I supposed to tell when somebody might actually be interested in me when I've got weirdos with that kind of sense of humor in my life?


You can ask her 'ok, what about now?'.

This isn't a usual joke among friends of opposite sex btw.


Agreed.

Sabreclaw, unless she really is a weirdo in other ways, I don't think she's kidding.


Nah, she has a boyfriend and being insecure she sometimes tries to get attention, which is obviously what her jokes are for.



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18 Sep 2017, 8:20 am

Closet Genious wrote:
What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).


I'm talking about the fact that there a lot of men who feel pressured into working better jobs, higher income jobs by women.

Some do want prestige for themselves.

Others do it for women.

I think advertising does play a part. As a society we're always ( I say we, I'm living in a house full of second hand furniture and my tablet cost me £30 secondhand from ebay) being pushed to get the newest, the latest the biggest.

In the past, people just made do. The average family didn't care if their curtains matched their cushions and their couch and so on. They were just happy to have curtains that covered the window and some chairs to sit on. Now everyone seems to have to have new things.

I'm very aware of how a lot of women seem to want new furniture and to redecorate every 2 years. and not just put a fresh lick of paint on the wall, I mean the ornaments have to be changed to match the new decor and the new sofa and whatnot. I think it's crazy.

Women do tend to be more materialistic this way. I can imagine they push their husbands so they can have this stuff that they don't really need. Or the single ones will look for someone who can give them this lifestyle.

And why did this change? TV programs about interiors. Advertisements. Their friends becoming more materialistic. Worship of celebrity lifestyles.

I imagine as a man you are probably oblivious to this happening and if you don't have a lot of female friends then you'll not see women doing this.

#notallwomen of course, but it seems to be the majority.



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18 Sep 2017, 8:23 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Once upon a time before modern conveniences a woman would have had a lot to do at home unless she was rich and hired servants, but they were not the majority.

But the average woman would have had a lot of physical work to do at home. So she wasn't freeloading.

We haven't adapted well to new circumstances weirdly. People just want more and more and bigger and better. People who are satisfied with a simple life are spurned as weirdos.

Just gotta find another person who isn't materialistic to be your partner.

It's more than gender roles. It's a commercialised advertising industry. The whole system is geared towards making people dissatisfied with what they have.

MGTOW philosophy doesn't seem to have a solution to that other than to make women as exhausted as men as they run on the corporate treadmill to seek more and more.


Maybe it's because culture is a by product of our biology, and not the other way around, that's why we don't adapt, or maybe even can't adapt. That the advertising industry should play such a huge role on our mating strategies sounds like an absurd theory to me, and not at all plausible. It seems to me we're just dancing around the elephant in the room at this point, which is biology.

I have to give credit where it's due, I take my hat off to wanderlust. Not only does
she understand how mating actually works, but she has been very open and honest aswell. Look, I totally get why this discussion angers alot of women. I can only speak for myself, but I am not in any way out to harm women or anything like that.

But I think what we've uncovered here, is that the way men and women "love" is completely different. And in my estimation this will not ever ever change. MGTOW is the answer because it advocates that men should choose to follow their heart, instead of slaving away at a job they hate, even if the consequence is that they may not be able earn enough to attract a female.


Previous generations lived much more simple lives. They didn't strive for SUVs and iPhone's for example. We don't need these things but we're bombarded with advertising for them and people fall for it. They really do. Men and women.

When all the working classes were doing similar jobs like miners and factory workers it was probably easier to find a compatible partner because your wife would expect you to stay in that job like all her friend's husbands were staying in their miner for life/factory worker for life type jobs.


What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).


And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.


Yeah I hear that too. My friend's Mum is always going on at her Dad about how her family have big houses and big cars and why couldn't he have managed to keep a job where he could have earned that much. He seems to be on the spectrum and has difficulty getting along with others in employment so is now self-employed.



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18 Sep 2017, 8:26 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.

This happened to me.
We were in a bar and my wife publicly called me an idiot for making less than our mutual friend is making. For the record, I was stuck at that job so that I could freelance from city where my wife lived.



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18 Sep 2017, 8:41 am

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And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.

This happened to me.
We were in a bar and my wife publicly called me an idiot for making less than our mutual friend is making. For the record, I was stuck at that job so that I could freelance from city where my wife lived.


Wtf man, are you serious?

Your wife or ex wife?



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18 Sep 2017, 8:47 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
314pe wrote:
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And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.

This happened to me.
We were in a bar and my wife publicly called me an idiot for making less than our mutual friend is making. For the record, I was stuck at that job so that I could freelance from city where my wife lived.


Wtf man, are you serious?

Your wife or ex wife?

Wife. It was supposed to be a joke.



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18 Sep 2017, 8:49 am

314pe wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
314pe wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
And always does his job get compared to the friends' husbands in the first place, hmm? I so hear of that one too.

This happened to me.
We were in a bar and my wife publicly called me an idiot for making less than our mutual friend is making. For the record, I was stuck at that job so that I could freelance from city where my wife lived.


Wtf man, are you serious?

Your wife or ex wife?

Wife. It was supposed to be a joke.


Imagine I talk to my gf like that:
"Hahaha you're an idiot for not having boobs as big as your friend - oh, i am just joking" .



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18 Sep 2017, 8:54 am

hurtloam wrote:
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What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).


I'm talking about the fact that there a lot of men who feel pressured into working better jobs, higher income jobs by women.

Some do want prestige for themselves.

Others do it for women.

I think advertising does play a part. As a society we're always ( I say we, I'm living in a house full of second hand furniture and my tablet cost me £30 secondhand from ebay) being pushed to get the newest, the latest the biggest.

In the past, people just made do. The average family didn't care if their curtains matched their cushions and their couch and so on. They were just happy to have curtains that covered the window and some chairs to sit on. Now everyone seems to have to have new things.

I'm very aware of how a lot of women seem to want new furniture and to redecorate every 2 years. and not just put a fresh lick of paint on the wall, I mean the ornaments have to be changed to match the new decor and the new sofa and whatnot. I think it's crazy.

Women do tend to be more materialistic this way. I can imagine they push their husbands so they can have this stuff that they don't really need. Or the single ones will look for someone who can give them this lifestyle.

And why did this change? TV programs about interiors. Advertisements. Their friends becoming more materialistic. Worship of celebrity lifestyles.

I imagine as a man you are probably oblivious to this happening and if you don't have a lot of female friends then you'll not see women doing this.

#notallwomen of course, but it seems to be the majority.


Most men who work extremely hard, do so ultimately for female attention, even if it's not conscious. The rare exception are men who (truly) went their own way, someone like nikola tesla comes to mind.

It's a shame that the man who does work he doesn't like, in order to get validation from others, is more attractive than the man who does what he himself wants to do, simply because he usually earns more money and takes fewer risks.

This is a weird compliment, but your furniture situation makes you awesome in my eyes. Maybe aspie women really are different?

I used to have quite a bit of female friends, I also often spend time with my sister and her friends. I am not completely isolated, I have gotten the chance to peek into the female psyche quite a bit. I've actually partied more with females than other males, though granted none of these females were aspies.



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18 Sep 2017, 8:57 am

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Maybe aspie women really are different?


Not much based on history here, wanderlust for instance doesn't sound that different, no? And you have Katy and her ilk.



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18 Sep 2017, 9:03 am

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Maybe aspie women really are different?


Not much based on history here.


*sigh*....

I was just about to relapse and start writing idealistic poetry again...



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18 Sep 2017, 9:11 am

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Maybe aspie women really are different?


Not much based on history here, wanderlust for instance doesn't that different, no? And you have Katy and her ilk.

wanderlust? There's worse than her. I can appreciate anyone forthright enough to let someone know where they stand.

Katy did no less than that. But there's a fine line between "honest" and "evil."



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18 Sep 2017, 9:13 am

Katy was dishonestly nasty.

She gave out wrong info----especially as to Aspies' suitability to have kids.



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18 Sep 2017, 9:50 am

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Maybe aspie women really are different?


Not much based on history here.


*sigh*....

I was just about to relapse and start writing idealistic poetry again...


Poetry view on life is stupid, it's good that you stoped.



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18 Sep 2017, 9:55 am

Closet Genious wrote:
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What you're saying doesn't add up though. While I agree that on a personal level, men are equally materialistic, when it comes to mate selection, men generally don't care at all about what a woman earns, while it is very important to a woman. Either women are evil, shallow, or just easily influenced by culture. OR, there simply is a biological difference between men and women(hint: hypergamy).


I'm talking about the fact that there a lot of men who feel pressured into working better jobs, higher income jobs by women.

Some do want prestige for themselves.

Others do it for women.

I think advertising does play a part. As a society we're always ( I say we, I'm living in a house full of second hand furniture and my tablet cost me £30 secondhand from ebay) being pushed to get the newest, the latest the biggest.

In the past, people just made do. The average family didn't care if their curtains matched their cushions and their couch and so on. They were just happy to have curtains that covered the window and some chairs to sit on. Now everyone seems to have to have new things.

I'm very aware of how a lot of women seem to want new furniture and to redecorate every 2 years. and not just put a fresh lick of paint on the wall, I mean the ornaments have to be changed to match the new decor and the new sofa and whatnot. I think it's crazy.

Women do tend to be more materialistic this way. I can imagine they push their husbands so they can have this stuff that they don't really need. Or the single ones will look for someone who can give them this lifestyle.

And why did this change? TV programs about interiors. Advertisements. Their friends becoming more materialistic. Worship of celebrity lifestyles.

I imagine as a man you are probably oblivious to this happening and if you don't have a lot of female friends then you'll not see women doing this.

#notallwomen of course, but it seems to be the majority.


Most men who work extremely hard, do so ultimately for female attention, even if it's not conscious. The rare exception are men who (truly) went their own way, someone like nikola tesla comes to mind.

It's a shame that the man who does work he doesn't like, in order to get validation from others, is more attractive than the man who does what he himself wants to do, simply because he usually earns more money and takes fewer risks.

This is a weird compliment, but your furniture situation makes you awesome in my eyes. Maybe aspie women really are different?

I used to have quite a bit of female friends, I also often spend time with my sister and her friends. I am not completely isolated, I have gotten the chance to peek into the female psyche quite a bit. I've actually partied more with females than other males, though granted none of these females were aspies.



You should read the Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar, this old book is an overdose of red pills.

This an old interview with her: