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The_Face_of_Boo
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05 Oct 2017, 2:08 am

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Have you ever heard a woman who has stolen a man's credit card and who had gone on a shopping spree say "Well he paid for my drink so he must have wanted it"? or other women say "He consented to spending money on her so it wasn't theft"?

She doesn't need to steal it, she just drags him around and do yeux doux to him. :lol:

Women's false entitlement examples are not like this, but they're more like "He must pay dinner always" , "He must be always the one who picks me up", "He must pay me a diamond ring otherwise he doesn't love me" - I am sure you hear it from a lot women a lot (unless you live under a rock and have no female friends) ....things like that, but those typical entitlements while nauseous to me, aren't crimes.

Rape is a crime regardless whether it's due to some false sense of entitlements or not.

Anyway some rape cases are due to false entitlement thing like the guy in the video- your credit card analogy is ridiculous honestly though.
A better parallel analogy for it would be a woman who committed murder (non self defense) by throwing a vase on his head, but trying to justify it that it was just a fight or that the victim brought it to himself because he angered her or caught him having sex with her friend.

It's not uncommon that criminals try to justify or reason their crimes.

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05 Oct 2017, 4:32 am

and btw Chronos, why Marina Lonina, the victim's friend, the one who videostreamed this rape and didn't do anything, wasn't jailed?

The case is describing that she filmed it for 10 minutes and was more excited about the reactions she's getting on the video. Jeez.

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05 Oct 2017, 7:10 am

Closet Genious wrote:

sly279 wrote:

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I could throw the same back at you. Why aren't the BJS stats good enough for you?

Why does it keep coming back to me? Why is it only my responsibility to explain why my arguments are valid, while you expect me to just take yours for granted? Why do I have to prove that my beliefs and values, my thoughts and experiences, my officially cited sources, are equal to yours? Apparently I can't just state a fact and let it stand on its own, like you guys can. I have to constantly prove that my words have any merit. This is what it means to be a woman in a patriarchal society.

Am I a woman? Cause people constantly tell me to post links to prove my opinions.
Whys everything sexist and about the patriarchy to you?

Because it's part of feminist doctrine, too see everything(selectively) through the lense of gender oppression. They believe in a conspiracy theory called patriarchy, and use tortured statistics and advocacy resarch to prove how much worse women have it.

But she's right, the patriarchy is real.

I go to the local Men's secret organization for oppressing and controlling women every Monday evening to discuss new methods of fighting Feminism and returning to good old Islam and traditional colonial wife times.

Are you telling me you haven't even become a member yet? Want me to the mail you the brochure, all men are welcome to join.

Join now and you'll get your white male privilege card, applicable at all cooperating businesses.

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05 Oct 2017, 7:21 am

Outrider wrote:

I go to the local Men's secret organization for oppressing and controlling women every Monday evening to discuss new methods of fighting Feminism and returning to good old Islam and traditional colonial wife times.

Are you telling me you haven't even become a member yet? Want me to the mail you the brochure, all men are welcome to join.

Join now and you'll get your white male privilege card, applicable at all cooperating businesses.

Sssssh dude! Remember the first rule of Secret Patriarchy Club!

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05 Oct 2017, 7:45 am

Oh guys, your so called "secret" meetings are so easy to eavesdrop!
But they let only the succesful guys in, don't they?

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05 Oct 2017, 7:52 am

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Oh guys, your so called "secret" meetings are so easy to eavesdrop!
But they let only the succesful guys in, don't they?

Actually that's a myth created to conceal the patriarchy.

In reality, all men are CEO's, billionaires, fly private jets and date supermodels. :wink:

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05 Oct 2017, 8:04 am

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Actually that's a myth created to conceal the patriarchy.

You've opened my eyes! Thank you!

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05 Oct 2017, 8:12 am

Just watched this scene from Mad Men. Reminds me of this forum

The difference between how men and women see women's dreams.

Is it misogyny to not listen to women when they are trying to explain how they feel and think to be bulldozed over with, "nope, this is how it is."

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05 Oct 2017, 8:40 am

Apart from the horrible singing (was it intended to be a caricature?) - good example.

He is devaluating her point of view. On what basis? Maybe because he is male and she is female. Or maybe because he seems higher in the office hierarchy (I don't know the series, I don't watch them). I know lots of people who tend to think they are right only because of their position. Or maybe he believes myths and never gave them a second thought. Does it mean hatered? Probably not. Does it mean contempt? Maybe. Does it mean he's looking down at her and even all the women? Definitely.

I'm sure it is wrong, you shouldn't act like him. Does the "misogyny" label fit? I don't know.

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05 Oct 2017, 8:52 am

hurtloam wrote:

Just watched this scene from Mad Men. Reminds me of this forum

The difference between how men and women see women's dreams.

Is it misogyny to not listen to women when they are trying to explain how they feel and think to be bulldozed over with, "nope, this is how it is."

There's a disconnect between what people say and what they do, and this is especially the case with women in my opinion. I'm not saying this because I am a misogynist, or aspiring to be one, I am just constantly observing. And what I've observed in the 23 years that I have lived, is that men tend to be more analytical and honest, where women more often fall into self delusion and lying. I know that no matter what I say you won't accept this premise, and I understand that, because it doesn't sound very nice. But I'll give you an example of what I mean.

Fat people.

Fat men generally tend to admit to the fact that they're fat, and that being fat is neither healthy or attractive.

From what I've observed, alot of fat women cling to movements such as "health at every size" and body positive movements, deluding themselves and trying to push the message that being fat is both healthy and attractive, when it obiously isn't.

I know all of this sounds incredibly rude, I wish I could find a way to convey it in a way that doesn't offend people. I am not saying there aren't any women who are incredibly analytical or honest, because obviously there are. I am talking about general trends. And I think women have a tendency to spare people's feeling instead of telling the truth, which sometimes makes their contributions very unhelpful.

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05 Oct 2017, 8:53 am

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jrjones9933 wrote:

1 in 6 women in the US being sexually assaulted seems more likely.

Maybe if you include catcalling and stupid sexual allusions to the statistics.

Yes. Catcalling is at 1 in 3, so we would have to assume that 1 in 2 or so catcalls leads to rape, which is totally unreasonable.

Also, you cannot create statistics for rape by inviting participants to a survey that is openly aimed at collecting information about sexual harassment. It will inevitably attract people that have opinions (= those that have been assaulted), and others will just ignore it. It's easy to get the prevalence wrong by a factor ten with that method. Such a design should be rejected by peer-reviewers, but then sometimes peer-reviewers are lazy. Sometimes the results are over-interpreted by non-scientists with an agenda, like feminists in this case.

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05 Oct 2017, 9:04 am

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magz wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

1 in 6 women in the US being sexually assaulted seems more likely.

Maybe if you include catcalling and stupid sexual allusions to the statistics.

Why are you quoting me? I was just telling that the number 1/6 is reasonable only if you include much more different behaviors and put them into one bag with rape. Then I linked to a more recent study (but made similar way to the original one) which clearly shows the 1/6 number is far from reality.

Maybe you assume I'm a fighhting feminist just because I'm female?

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05 Oct 2017, 9:05 am

Freemasonry is a real life example of a secret patriarchal society (they rately accept
females).

And oh... they're real, very real - and they are powerful and wealthy people; let's say I had a some second-hand experience with them.

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05 Oct 2017, 9:33 am

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Maybe you assume I'm a fighhting feminist just because I'm female?

Not at all. You just provided the catcalling "information" that I thought was a good basis to start with. :wink:

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05 Oct 2017, 9:42 am

My face when I read rdos posts:
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05 Oct 2017, 9:57 am

Closet Genious wrote:

From my expirience, both genders are prone to self-deceiving.
Females are ready to believe they are attractive - but they are also very easy target for all the "you should" advertisements. You should buy our clothes. You should get rid of cellulit. And so on.
Males are extremally easy to be made believe they are more important than they actually are. Example from my life: I worked in a gallery where eating or drinking was forbidden. If I confronted an eating female, she obeyed. If I tried to confront adult males about it, they fought back. But if I veiled my instruction in a form of asking for help because you are so important, everyone takes an example from you - they did anything I asked them to.

Anyway, did you watch the scene? Because maybe males and females see different aspects of it. The problem I see is putting down someone's contribution on the spot, without a second thought. The problem my mother in law would see is a man believing all the women want is being wanted by males. Maybe you have another perspective - I would be more than interested to learn.

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