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07 Nov 2017, 3:05 am

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Imagine giving that phone to your teenaged daughter.

"Oh daddy, it's so ugly!"
"Oh daddy, all my friends have a rose gold iPhone!"
"Oh daddy, if I don't have an iPhone I'll be kicked out of the fashion club!"
"Oh daddy, if you don't buy me a rose gold iPhone it means you don't love me!"

When parents give into those demands it prevents their children growing up.

Now do you see why I hate teenagers?

I shouldn't generalise. Not all teenagers are like that.

i would be surprised if i had such a shallow daughter given the fact that i never had children, as well as the fact that a girl i may have procreated with back then would not have been shallow, so genetically it would be surprising.

i have sometimes imagined if i had a teenage child, that they would probably be interested in what i am doing and join me.

like i imagine a daughter i may have as wearing old tracksuit pants and a tee shirt and with a pony tail that is not a sexual advertisement.
she, like me would prefer PC's i guess.
maybe we would combine our minds in playing games or something.
i don't know, but counseling a daughter about how to react to an aimless and unsatisfied dick attached to a beefy moron who she is attracted to is something she would have to consult others about.


if she said the things you described, i would tell her that i could not give a s**t, and if she is somehow feeling neglected, then to ring the child service number and piss off into their custody.
my life is MINE and i never feel obliged to dilute it with fulfilling other people's expectations that are not in my range of productivity.



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07 Nov 2017, 3:15 am

She would like PCs too? Kids don't always turn out like their parents.

I've seen plenty of kids who have completely different tastes and interests.

You like PC, she likes Mac
You like oranges, she likes pears
You like watching Lost in Space, she likes watching Bewitched
You want her to have the same career as you, she wants to be a marine biologist

It's not possible or desirable to raise kids with the exact same tastes and interests as their parents. They are separate people.


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07 Nov 2017, 3:26 am

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I have the same phone.

Got it for cheap two years ago and it works great.

Already cheap phone but got it on discount.

Dropped it hundreds pf tomes, no damage.

Definitely no need for a $1,500 phone.

That's BONKERS!

It’s something people use every day all day. It contains their life’s information on it, their pictures, it connects us to each other. It’s probably one of the most important items a person owns. Doesn’t seem crazy to spend money on getting a good reliable one.



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07 Nov 2017, 3:27 am

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^ I'm a big fan of that comic! It speaks volumes. I'm often reminded of it when people say "Why didn't you become an engineer like me?" Maybe because I grew up in an impoverished craphole slum and went to a bad school. People say to me "You would be an accountant like me if only you had worked hard". Maybe my crappy childhood effected me in other ways.

I think that I did pretty good to even get into the lower-middle class considering how impoverished my childhood was. Yet some people still expect me to get into the upper-middle class? Aren't I good enough yet?

Yes I know some people go from being poor to being millionaires and that's great. What that comic really illustrates is what their kids are like.

I've met people who's parents went from rags to riches and then wanted to give their kids a better childhood than they had. Yet their kids ended up being spoiled brats.

Their parents went from rags to riches and their kids think these qualities somehow rubbed off on them when they actually have the opposite qualities.

Their parents are highly independent and their kids are highly dependent. They don't seem to realise this.


Craphole schools still produce outstanding students. I went to the worst school in my city. Lots of doctors in my year.

Rags to riches people often don’t know how to raise children, they want them to have a better life so they lavish gifts on them, and don’t discipline them, and it actually ruins them.

Most people’s parents don’t pay for university, either. You really have to be upper upper middle class for that.

My sister went to my school, paid for her own university, worked $4 per hour jobs, and still managed to become someone very high up at the ministry of defence.

It’s extremely possible to come from a lower or middle class and have a fantastic life with hard work.

I can understand that comic in non western countries, but rich and developed countries have a huge range of assistance available for its citizens.



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07 Nov 2017, 3:30 am

IQ is simply "problem solving ability"
someone earlier in this thread commented that it is possible to sense i persons IQ from conversation and it was met with disapproval but it is true.
i was talking to someone who was a bright person who started taklking about the "dark side of the moon" as if he thought it meant that that side of the moon was in perpetual darkness.

i had to clarify the discussion by stating that the "dark side of the moon" means the side of the moon that is always facing away from earth.

it has 14 days of sunshine and 14 days of darkness.

he said i was wrong.

i explained that the moons axial rotation period was equal to it's orbital period which means it's "day" or the time it takes to spin around it's axis is equal to the time it takes for the moon to orbit the earth.

he said i was incorrect and i realized he did not have the mentality to understand it.


he is a great cartoonist and all that s**t, and he writes stuff which is interesting, but i found his "brick wall" of conceptual understanding during that conversation.



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07 Nov 2017, 3:35 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
She would like PCs too? Kids don't always turn out like their parents.

I've seen plenty of kids who have completely different tastes and interests.

You like PC, she likes Mac
You like oranges, she likes pears
You like watching Lost in Space, she likes watching Bewitched
You want her to have the same career as you, she wants to be a marine biologist

It's not possible or desirable to raise kids with the exact same tastes and interests as their parents. They are separate people.


i don't have kids because i never wanted them.



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07 Nov 2017, 3:40 am

^ you can explain to him that the phases of the moon we see are actually the lunar day-to-night transition and vice versa.



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07 Nov 2017, 4:03 am

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^ you can explain to him that the phases of the moon we see are actually the lunar day-to-night transition and vice versa.

hes has an IQ which i would consider to be 130 odd.

so he must be told "why".

but he can not understand it well. i do not care. i do not want to impart knowledge to him. i just saw his limits of understanding, and what i said saw about his IQ estimation.
he is a great bloke however
i like him.


here is a puzzle in a game that is insanely difficult to solve unless you can work out the relationships.
it is a "sherlock holmes game"

it takes me a few minutes to solve it but very few can see how i did it. that is what i consider to be "problem solving ability"



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07 Nov 2017, 7:31 am

hale_bopp wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
^ I'm a big fan of that comic! It speaks volumes. I'm often reminded of it when people say "Why didn't you become an engineer like me?" Maybe because I grew up in an impoverished craphole slum and went to a bad school. People say to me "You would be an accountant like me if only you had worked hard". Maybe my crappy childhood effected me in other ways.

I think that I did pretty good to even get into the lower-middle class considering how impoverished my childhood was. Yet some people still expect me to get into the upper-middle class? Aren't I good enough yet?

Yes I know some people go from being poor to being millionaires and that's great. What that comic really illustrates is what their kids are like.

I've met people who's parents went from rags to riches and then wanted to give their kids a better childhood than they had. Yet their kids ended up being spoiled brats.

Their parents went from rags to riches and their kids think these qualities somehow rubbed off on them when they actually have the opposite qualities.

Their parents are highly independent and their kids are highly dependent. They don't seem to realise this.


Craphole schools still produce outstanding students. I went to the worst school in my city. Lots of doctors in my year.

Rags to riches people often don’t know how to raise children, they want them to have a better life so they lavish gifts on them, and don’t discipline them, and it actually ruins them.

Most people’s parents don’t pay for university, either. You really have to be upper upper middle class for that.

My sister went to my school, paid for her own university, worked $4 per hour jobs, and still managed to become someone very high up at the ministry of defence.

It’s extremely possible to come from a lower or middle class and have a fantastic life with hard work.

I can understand that comic in non western countries, but rich and developed countries have a huge range of assistance available for its citizens.


Rags to riches stories are common because rags to rags doesn't make for a good story. Rags to riches is extremely possible but it's hardly probable.

Ordinary folks like me and many others here just don't have the stamina to be good students while working full time jobs. Fatigue makes for a poor student, at least in my case.

The prevalence of these stories combined with survivorship bias prevents society from dealing with the very real and measurable problem of the intergenerational poverty cycle.

Anyway, there may have been lots of doctors in your year but that's a very small sample size. I went to a craphole school too. Guess how many doctors were in my year. Go on. Guess.


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07 Nov 2017, 7:53 am

As a person who has worked full time in university, I would not trust a medical doctor who has worked full time during his studies.



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07 Nov 2017, 8:05 am

hale_bopp wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
^ I'm a big fan of that comic! It speaks volumes. I'm often reminded of it when people say "Why didn't you become an engineer like me?" Maybe because I grew up in an impoverished craphole slum and went to a bad school. People say to me "You would be an accountant like me if only you had worked hard". Maybe my crappy childhood effected me in other ways.

I think that I did pretty good to even get into the lower-middle class considering how impoverished my childhood was. Yet some people still expect me to get into the upper-middle class? Aren't I good enough yet?

Yes I know some people go from being poor to being millionaires and that's great. What that comic really illustrates is what their kids are like.

I've met people who's parents went from rags to riches and then wanted to give their kids a better childhood than they had. Yet their kids ended up being spoiled brats.

Their parents went from rags to riches and their kids think these qualities somehow rubbed off on them when they actually have the opposite qualities.

Their parents are highly independent and their kids are highly dependent. They don't seem to realise this.


Craphole schools still produce outstanding students. I went to the worst school in my city. Lots of doctors in my year.

Rags to riches people often don’t know how to raise children, they want them to have a better life so they lavish gifts on them, and don’t discipline them, and it actually ruins them.

Most people’s parents don’t pay for university, either. You really have to be upper upper middle class for that.

My sister went to my school, paid for her own university, worked $4 per hour jobs, and still managed to become someone very high up at the ministry of defence.

It’s extremely possible to come from a lower or middle class and have a fantastic life with hard work.

I can understand that comic in non western countries, but rich and developed countries have a huge range of assistance available for its citizens.


I feel the point of the comic was they worked equally hard, but one just started in an unluckier position in life.

If she wants to be as successful as the man she would have had to worked harder then him since she started at a disadvantage.

Which is awfully familiar to the fact many here have to work harder than NTs for the same result.

Hard work is relative so a person with multiple mental.disorders working equally as hard as a mentally healthy person may have less results.

Or a poor person working just as hard as someone born in upper middle class wony be as successful as the upper middle class person.

How does this relate to aspies?

Our.best may not be good enough for society since our best is their "normal/standard effort" from their perspective.



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07 Nov 2017, 8:17 am

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hale_bopp wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
^ I'm a big fan of that comic! It speaks volumes. I'm often reminded of it when people say "Why didn't you become an engineer like me?" Maybe because I grew up in an impoverished craphole slum and went to a bad school. People say to me "You would be an accountant like me if only you had worked hard". Maybe my crappy childhood effected me in other ways.

I think that I did pretty good to even get into the lower-middle class considering how impoverished my childhood was. Yet some people still expect me to get into the upper-middle class? Aren't I good enough yet?

Yes I know some people go from being poor to being millionaires and that's great. What that comic really illustrates is what their kids are like.

I've met people who's parents went from rags to riches and then wanted to give their kids a better childhood than they had. Yet their kids ended up being spoiled brats.

Their parents went from rags to riches and their kids think these qualities somehow rubbed off on them when they actually have the opposite qualities.

Their parents are highly independent and their kids are highly dependent. They don't seem to realise this.
Craphole schools still produce outstanding students. I went to the worst school in my city. Lots of doctors in my year.

Rags to riches people often don’t know how to raise children, they want them to have a better life so they lavish gifts on them, and don’t discipline them, and it actually ruins them.

Most people’s parents don’t pay for university, either. You really have to be upper upper middle class for that.

My sister went to my school, paid for her own university, worked $4 per hour jobs, and still managed to become someone very high up at the ministry of defence.

It’s extremely possible to come from a lower or middle class and have a fantastic life with hard work.

I can understand that comic in non western countries, but rich and developed countries have a huge range of assistance available for its citizens.
I feel the point of the comic was they worked equally hard, but one just started in an unluckier position in life.

If she wants to be as successful as the man she would have had to worked harder then him since she started at a disadvantage.

Which is awfully familiar to the fact many here have to work harder than NTs for the same result.

Hard work is relative so a person with multiple mental.disorders working equally as hard as a mentally healthy person may have less results.

Or a poor person working just as hard as someone born in upper middle class wony be as successful as the upper middle class person.
Well put. If you work you might get a good job but if someone starting from a better position works equally hard they will land a better job.

Why do people have so much trouble understanding that? It's if another runner is ten paces ahead of you and people expect you to catch up with him by running at the same speed.
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How does this relate to aspies?

Our.best may not be good enough for society since our best is their "normal/standard effort" from their perspective.
Right. Your best is their normal and you won't ever be competing against their normal effort because they're already trying their best.


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07 Nov 2017, 8:18 am

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As a person who has worked full time in university, I would not trust a medical doctor who has worked full time during his studies.
How did you survive?


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07 Nov 2017, 8:20 am

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This one I just find disturbing , he’s a mutural Match from Pof. She openly admitting she just use guys to get what she wants then throw them away and she’s a therapist

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I'm a mental health therapist who also does drug and alcohol counseling. I was in the Marines and my ultimate goal is to work with veterans and their family so I can continue to help support my fellow service members! I'm not interested in sex at all. So don't bother. I am vapid and shallow, so if you don't look up to my standards, I'll just lie to you to get what I want till I've grown bored of you. I will not be your romantic partner AND therapist! I'm not going to talk to you like you are a client, but realize that I am knowledgeable and I can't/won't dumb myself down to appease someone so their frail or delicate ego isn't hurt. I want to be able to have a logical conversation with my partner. I also want to be able to relax at the end of the day and be able to laugh with my partner.


Both this woman and the one in your original post are being honest. They have demands and they are saying openly what those demands are.

Everyone has demands of their potential partner, it might be that they are always available, that they are faithful, that they buy them stuff, that they want children, whatever, everybody has demands. Unlike most people, male and female, these two are being honest and open about their demands.

You don't like those demands, that's ok, just appreciate they were upfront about them instead of them wasting peoples time. :)


So you’re fine with women using guys they have no interest in solely to get as much out of them as they can then throw them away?

Would you equally be ok with men using women they don’t like romantically for sex why pretending to like them then dropping them when they get bored with the sex?



First of all, no, it is not fine to use people for any reason, but she is not saying she wants to do that, she is admitting that is what she will end up doing if a man tries to date her expecting her to behave like his therapist, she is admitting a fault in herself. I expect that is how it has gone in the past.


If all the men using women and women using men said so upfront, I would be delighted because I could avoid them.
Unfortunately 99% of them don't, which is why I don't use dating sights even though In theory they are logical because I know I am not everybodys cup of tea, they are full of lies. Which is the point I was really making, these women are at least honest.


Do you prefer dishonest ones? :o


Why have you suggested that I have double standards. Please show ANY example of my having used them.



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07 Nov 2017, 8:55 am

Ironically, it is quite likely that many Aspies come off like she does when trying to date. Honesty becomes a fault rather than a virtue. How else should she deal with people who forget about major issues that should be obvious to anyone reading her profile?



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07 Nov 2017, 12:30 pm

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Ironically, it is quite likely that many Aspies come off like she does when trying to date. Honesty becomes a fault rather than a virtue. How else should she deal with people who forget about major issues that should be obvious to anyone reading her profile?


Yes, but I feel so dishonest if I am not open with people about something that if it works out could affect them.