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My religion, or my "rubbish" as you so kindly call it, goes with me everywhere.


Deal with it.

Bawwww!

By rubbish I mean your blatant forcing of your "correct" ideas down the throats of others. Sure, discuss it, but don't speak down to others for holding different beliefs. There's nothing wrong with holding beliefs. After all, that's all you have. Belief. You may view it as fact at times, but sadly that isn't the case.

Didn't you go off earlier about people twisting words, missing the point, being blind?

That goes with him everywhere he goes, too.

"Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogance come out of your mouth: for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed." 1 Samuel 2:3

As I've mentioned elsewhere, "forcing your beliefs down our throats", along with its similar variants, is a trademarked cliché.
Therefore, you are hereby advised to place the common "(TM)" after each usage.

But while we're on the subject, could you describe this "force" you speak of?


Explain how stating what I believe is "speaking down to others", when you admit it's okay to discuss what I believe?

You're just trying to suppress my beliefs, under the guise of recommending politeness -- which makes no sense, but it is, I guess, the best way you can think of.

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Oh no! Bible scholar julie kitty is upon me!

Why don't you follow that verse, and stop pridefully condemning me for explaining that I am a Christian?

Anyone that doesn't follow what you view to be the "correct" form of Christianity is "wrong." That's laughable. Forcing? This whole thread has become forcing. Throwing around your self-righteous nonsense in the love and dating is forcing. Sure, you could say I don't have to view this thread. A little late for that, and I just can't resist seeing what you've come up with next as a response.

Telling others their beliefs are wrong. Telling others their beliefs are inferior. People can think whatever they want of Ann Coulter and her views, your little shield of "She's a Christian" is laughable. Maybe that's why some don't like her? Because she's a right-wing Christian that's gone closer to fanatical? (I don't consider calling her a "fanatic" to be speaking down to her. I'm not trying to talk to her as if she simply can't comprehend what I'm saying. )

The fact that you think I want to suppress your beliefs is laughable. There's no point, when you won't garnish many followers with the way you preach them.

I guess trying to pick apart the details is all you can come up with, as you've already managed to "miss" some of the points I was trying to make.

That's OK, deal with semantics. You know, I don't even have to work for this point, you already gave me half of it. Ignoring those points that are disagreeable with your world-view
(Let's see who can do the most s!)

Eh..I'll condense it.

At any point that you suggest that someone else's view of Christianity is flawed, or even wrong, you are passing judgment on them. Isn't that something that's supposed to be reserved for your God? What makes you so righteous as to have such a task, and how exactly were you appointed to it?

am I an atheist? lol, even people who believe in God, won't agree with you, so this has nothing to do with it, it is just your arrogant assumption that you have the "truth" only, and the idea that only your denomination are the only true Christians. And is funny that when Ratzinger said only catholics were christians, that didn't appeal to you that much, then you are doing the same thing.

You are wrong here anyway, I was actually trying to see this in a christian point of view (Who is a "true" Christian), but it is not the same as yours. And I have some idea of what a true christian must really be, and it is different than what you claim.

That's called an "expressed opinion", not "force". I asked you to explain the "force" you wrote that I was using, when you wrote that I was forcing my ideas down everyone's throat simply by uttering them.

I guess you can't defend your accusation of me.


If I state that I believe A, then I'm also stating I don't believe the opposite of A. (See: Laws of Logic.)

So, when I state A, and other people come back with, "WHAT?! Surely you're not saying you don't believe the opposite of A?!?? ", naturally, I'm going to say, "You're right. I actually believe my beliefs."


I'm not laughing. It's quite serious. There is no way for a Christian to simply say, "This is what I believe..." without being accused of "shoving your beliefs down our throats!!11!1!!1" (TM)

Wow, what nonsense. You've outdone yourself.

Let's put your theory to work, shall we?
So, if a foreigner believes that an elevator is the men's restroom, it would be judgmental of you to tell them otherwise? After all, who are YOU to force your interpretation of what constitutes a restroom down his throat, you insensitive bigot!!

What you're directly saying is: If I hold a particular Christian view, I'm already guilty.

Think about that, because that's logically what your statement says.

In any logical system, espousing one particular view would automatically negate all conflicting views -- therefore, if I hold any coherent beliefs, according to you I'm "passing judgment" on those who don't hold those same beliefs. Gee, shadexiii, I guess you'd better forget EVERY view you have that contradicts someone else's view -- how judgmental of you, to have views that contradict others' views! (Like mine, for example, you hypocrite.)

I'd offer you some Swiss cheese, but I see you already have some. Oh, wait, that's your logic. My mistake!

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Smug much?

You are far from simply uttering them.

You can respectfully disagree.
You can hold a belief, hear another, and say you find your beliefs to be better suited for you. To prance around as if you "know" what is right is rather arrogant, and rather sad.

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Sure there is. You leave it as "This is my belief," rather than saying things like "This is the correct belief." Or "This other belief is incorrect." Or telling people to go read through your pages of religious writings, as if you rank up there with the true thinkers and theologians. You've really done more work at suppressing views than you seem to believe I have.

Oh you really are having trouble with this! You could live your life based upon your views without being critical of those that disagree. Wouldn't that be what your God wanted?

Shouldn't you leave it to God to decide if others are just missing the point, and to give you that pat on the back that you keep giving yourself?

It was especially enjoyable to see you rant as you did. Thanks for brightening my day a bit, a worked-up zealot is always a wondrous spectacle.

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Nope. All I did is utter and explain them. That's all that's necessary, apparently, to send you into a perfect tizzy. Even now, still, you're trying to muzzle my beliefs by accusing me of (gasp) stating them.

So I should just stop posting...since anything I say is an attempt to "muzzle" your beliefs?

Hmmm...now that's interesting.

But with deep beliefs, one doesn't truly believe those beliefs are merely "better suited" to him.

Rather, such a person believes his deepest beliefs are true. Else, they're not his deepest beliefs.

Ah, well, you might as well start accusing Jesus, now, of being judgmental, because He claimed that He was the ONLY way to God (John 14:6).

You can hold them to be true without passing judgment, no?

You don't have to accept a differing view from your own, but even then it is possible to respect it. Suggesting that others that view themselves as Christians are not true Christians is pretty inflammatory. Probably as much so as if someone were to tell you that your views of Christianity were completely wrong. If you were told, it might not bother you...since after all you're correct... Not everyone will take it so "gracefully."