Gonna try acting like a dick towards NT party girls
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The fact of the matter is that the person who puts themselves at risk is equally as responsible as the one who commits the crime.
So, the person who forgets to lock all their windows at night is every bit as guilty as the burglar who climbs in and steals their TV? I don't think so. I doubt you would agree with this either, so what exactly do you think makes drunk women getting raped any different?
Are you against drinking in general? There are plenty of moral arguements against it, for instance, taxpayers money being wasted on binge drinkers being admitted to A&E, or the violence it causes in some people.
What I would say is that many people like to have a drink on a night out, relax at the end of the day and have some fun. It is all to easy to take it that little bit to far. Of course it is a mistake and something you should be trying not to do, but to say that rape sounds like an excessively harsh punishment would be an understatement.
Basically, how can the two people be equally responsible when one has made a daft mistake and the other has committed an awful crime?
Gamester wrote:
Kitsy wrote:
0hanrahan wrote:
Hoes is just a rhyme. It sounds good; "Bros before hoes"
There is no malcontent behind the word choice.
Now if someone personally directs the word hoe in reference to you, then by all means take offense.
I wasn't offended when another poster came up with "chicks before dicks" or "wigs before pigs".
Rhymes. Who cares
There is no malcontent behind the word choice.
Now if someone personally directs the word hoe in reference to you, then by all means take offense.
I wasn't offended when another poster came up with "chicks before dicks" or "wigs before pigs".
Rhymes. Who cares
You're a guy. Of course it won't affect you.
Also, you can look at wigs before pigs as a joke considering it's not commonly said at all so you don't get to hear it come out of a female's mouth that hates men because men who hate females and think of them as objects only will use that catchy phrase.
Here's how I figure.
There are two sets of male types in the world.
90% and the rest.
the 90% are either Neuro's or other Aspies, who pass off as NT and can talk the talk and walk the walk, but its mostly NTs, who go around treating women like dirt and hurting them. the rest, as seen by the percentile is 10% a small number, but its these types who end up happy the rest of their lives with a woman that they can respect and vice versa. Normally, with the ten percent, these women are not the richest, the most beautiful, good looking or anything like that. They are usually plain girls who have their streaks of beauty where it counts. "Humans look at the outward appearance, God looks at the inward," from somewhere in the bible, I don't remember, but the point I'm saying, is that the ten percent usually go with this. I should say that I do, because I don't go after the pretty ones, the beautiful ones, the popular ones, I go after those who have friends who they can trust and count on, not superficial fakes who are only there because they need someone like her at current. I'm one of the ten percent, and as far as I'm concerned, if more males could be like that, there would be a lot less hurt women out there having to deal with the pieces of men who are stupid, arrogant, as*holes, brainless, societal pigs, losers, and dropouts. I don't normally rant on here, very rarely, but this thread has me reallllllllllllly really really pissed off, and it sickens me to think that someone thinks that watching Television with this type of idea in mind is right, it's just wrong.
All i have to say is that you want a real relationship? Grow a brain, some balls and be friends with a girl before wanting to bed her. Might be easier.
You forget the members, both men and women, of the 10% that want a real relationship and so on but fail to get one, or find one but it goes sour or otherwise fails. Just thinking about relationships is depressing to me; frankly, I wished I didn't want a proper relationship and had the social skills to get the shallow ones. I would certainly be a lot happier.
I think both women who willingly go for obvious jerks/etc and men who go for obvious gold diggers/b*****s/psychos/etc deserve what they get.
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sarahstilettos wrote:
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The fact of the matter is that the person who puts themselves at risk is equally as responsible as the one who commits the crime.
So, the person who forgets to lock all their windows at night is every bit as guilty as the burglar who climbs in and steals their TV? I don't think so. I doubt you would agree with this either, so what exactly do you think makes drunk women getting raped any different?
Are you against drinking in general? There are plenty of moral arguements against it, for instance, taxpayers money being wasted on binge drinkers being admitted to A&E, or the violence it causes in some people.
What I would say is that many people like to have a drink on a night out, relax at the end of the day and have some fun. It is all to easy to take it that little bit to far. Of course it is a mistake and something you should be trying not to do, but to say that rape sounds like an excessively harsh punishment would be an understatement.
Basically, how can the two people be equally responsible when one has made a daft mistake and the other has committed an awful crime?
Logic isn't in the equation for this one. His views are based on rash self-interest and exaggerated labels.
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pbcoll wrote:
I think both women who willingly go for obvious jerks/etc and men who go for obvious gold diggers/b*****s/psychos/etc deserve what they get.
Notion seconded. Except this psychos part. I love psychotic women. They're a lot of fun. A little scary, but I like being the best friend of a serial killer.
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I won't translate it because it doesn't mean anything.
Brian003 wrote:
The fact of the matter is that the person who puts themselves at risk is equally as responsible as the one who commits the crime.
I don't know if I even partially agree, but I feel you.
It's my belief that many modern progressives and/or liberals want us all to live in a blameless society. A society where you can do anything and you are never unwise or partially at fault for putting yourself in harms way.
Everyone is faultless wittle souls UNLESS they belong to the moderate or conservative wealthy, conservatives, or if they are or are working for THE MAN.
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The fact of the matter is that the person who puts themselves at risk is equally as responsible as the one who commits the crime.
Objectively maybe that's true but you can't build a country's laws based on that concept. A fair law must always punish the criminal and protect the victim even if the victim was too idiot and put him/herself at risk. Stupidity of someone A doesn't justify the crime committed by someone B toward A.
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Stupidity of someone doesn't justify the crime committed
In all areas of life I believe that you cannot punish someone for being an idiot, even if you'd sometimes like to. Perhaps the best way of drawing a distinction between the opportunistic criminal and a person who puts themself at risk is that the former has acted, as the judge might say, 'with malicious intent' - they have proactively gone out to cause harm. The latter, in contrast to this, has not thought at all. Perhaps they are idiotic, but they have not been proactive in hurting another person.
LePetitPrince wrote:
JKRANE WHERE ARE THE RESULTS???
sorry for the caps
sorry for the caps
Seconded! Even if it was a SNAFU or a FUBAR, surely you learned from it, right? Tell us what happened and we shall lose no respect for you. We shall only lose respect if you refuse to keep your promise to reveal the results.
NightsideEclipse wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:
JKRANE WHERE ARE THE RESULTS???
sorry for the caps
sorry for the caps
Seconded! Even if it was a SNAFU or a FUBAR, surely you learned from it, right? Tell us what happened and we shall lose no respect for you. We shall only lose respect if you refuse to keep your promise to reveal the results.
merr wrote:
13 pages and no results? I'm beginning to think it's a joke. Or it could be that it didnt work..lol.
I don't think it was a joke since he was a regular poster before this thread and so he is probably not a troll (at least not intentionally so). I'm leaning toward the latter guess. Still, I feel he should keep his promise he made at the commencement of this thread.
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merr wrote:
13 pages and no results? I'm beginning to think it's a joke. Or it could be that it didnt work..lol.
Its not just that, if he's chasing that angle he'll have to find a way to consistently look, act, and vibe like he's been NT all his life - that may take more than 13 pages, I'm thinking more likely a new lifetime in a different body.
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dongiovanni wrote:
1. My grouping outlined a tendency to a group.
All groups have tendencies.
dongiovanni wrote:
I never said that I didn't group people. That would be clearly false. Feminists, neurotypicals, people with AS, autistics, men, and women are all groups. All of these groups have certain criteria that define them, whether it is a pattern of beliefs, a neurochemical condition, or what genitals you hide. All of these groups also have tendencies that may usually be true; this does not mean that all members of these groups possess said tendencies.
I wasn't describing "neurochemical conditions" such as Asperger's/Neurotypical/Autism/Banana.
I was just simply giving my opinion about who to categorize in consideration with what men/women want. As an autistic you cannot fully comprehend the mechanics of certain human nature and interaction. So you go off topic(As usual) and start to argue with yourself about jargon. It doesn't make you more intelligent than me, nor does it make you a great philosopher; it just makes you argue with yourself about nothing.
dongiovanni wrote:
2. This does not address my attack. You cannot logically refute my case, so you poke fun at my logical methods by calling them "comical".
You forget that you were the one who attacked me.
dongiovanni wrote:
I simply wanted to exemplify this clearly because I didn't think that you would understand it if I stated it concisely.
This sentence merely supports my claim that most autistics have a HUGE ego.
dongiovanni wrote:
However, you clearly were so caught up in the nature of this example that you failed to comprehend the content of the attack.
Who are you attacking? Do you even comprehend what you are writing down onto the forum? You are clearly arguing with yourself. You are completely confused about the context of the argument so you make up your own argument.
How exactly am I suppose to comprehend an argument that you made up and then started to argue with yourself about? Am I suppose to argue against an imaginary argument and pretend that you are right and that I am wrong?
dongiovanni wrote:
When reading my arguments, cite specific sentences and refute their semantic content like this: "You said that A means B. However, A does not mean B because..." That is proper arguing.
This is a mere illusion. Writing random crap(Yes, crap) in the middle of an argument or a debate is not a form of proper arguing. You seem to have a superiority complex which makes you believe that what you are writing is always right and you then take this thought and delude yourself into thinking that you are special and of superior intellect.
This may be due to the result that you are autistic or it may be to a moderate case of narcissism. I really can't tell the difference but it is not my job to make sense of all your ranting.
dongiovanni wrote:
An example of your argument tactics would be like this: "You said that A means B like this. Because of how you argued, I'll assume that you really mean C and C is wrong."
I don't even view this as comical. The simple fact that you like to argue with yourself with statements like "A means B. But B does not relate to C. And C does not relate to A" makes you sound more and more like a crazy person.
I don't think I am the most intelligent person ever and I don't think I'm smart because I attend the University of Michigan(I never cared much about the rankings anyway).
But what you write is just blasphemy. It has very little rational thought beyond "If I connect two triangles together I could make a square so therefore you argument is wrong and I win." It is like arguing with a 5 year old.
dongiovanni wrote:
In doing that, you have only addressed the aesthetic and assumed meaning of my argument. The content stands. You did not address the content. To say you did is an illusion.
Yes yes; I am the one who is delusional.
dongiovanni wrote:
Regarding the prefix "über", it is a German prefix with an augmentative connotation.
I'm learning something new already.
dongiovanni wrote:
Since you have decided to improperly correct me, I shall point out that "Math" needn't be capitalized (British spelling). The only school subjects that must be capitalized are languages.
Now don't the "z's" make everything look better? I know they do.
dongiovanni wrote:
Society has reached the consensus that this is wrong.
An autistic is making a stand alone statement about what society thinks? Obviously I must be wrong.
dongiovanni wrote:
You are making the departure here; therefore you must prove your claim.
I'll take it in literal meanings that you are not going anywhere.
dongiovanni wrote:
Do you have any philosophical resource that would claim that vulnerability constitutes fault?
No, I haven't yet picked out the article on wikipedia that proves I understand exactly how neurotypicals think. Maybe I will try again later.
dongiovanni wrote:
Or are you simply drawing from your own infinite wisdom?
Did you forget who you think is the smart one?
dongiovanni wrote:
Furthermore, are you willing to universalise this?
It depends on the situation. Obviously I will universalize that the women at the bar and taking down 6-7 cans of beer is putting herself at risk. The same way of reasoning can be applied to many different situations.
dongiovanni wrote:
Is every victim an agent in their suffering because they failed to prevent it?
In your situation there is probably very little that can be done. I'm not talking about nor targeting autistics so maybe it would be wise to get the reasoning factor outside the number one.
dongiovanni wrote:
Is every autistic who is forced to give eye contact responsible for their pain because of their autism? (FYI, autistics generally (not always) find eye contact somewhat painful.)
I believe you can answer your own question.
dongiovanni wrote:
If you universalise your maxim that vulnerability constitutes agency, it yields an undesirable conclusion.
If you universalize the world into a one dimensional reality then you have a flawed set of principles. One that cannot understand a viewpoint beyond his own should not try and claim to be an expert on debating.
dongiovanni wrote:
Thus, it fails to meet the "Imperfect Duty" criterion outlined by Immanuel Kant in his "Categorical Imperative", which you can read about by clicking here.
This is just awesome. Not only do you use an article found on wikipedia to defend your "argument" but you also go along and make up your own subject matter. A true sign of an expert debater in your own little world.
dongiovanni wrote:
This misquoting. Since your University of Michigan education didn't seem to teach you this, I'll inform you that it's porm argument form (I learned this in high school debate).
Just like high school debate taught you how to begin with the sentence "This misquoting." It must have been brilliant.
dongiovanni wrote:
I'd get my psychology degree and spend some time with someone before making diagnoses.
I rather study economics and accounting. I don't want to become a shrink.
dongiovanni wrote:
I don't dislike you; I don't even know you. I did not disgrace your intelligence or your school; I simply pointed out your inconsistencies. The attack on your school was made by JulieKitty, as was the naming you a buffoon (and I wouldn't call either unwarranted).
All neurotypicals are inconsistent buffoons. You got me.
dongiovanni wrote:
The viewing of my picture for public disgrace would be inappropriate if could understand the insult. I'm swing dancing. Apparently, you just wanted to insult my appearance. I don't care about my face; I care about what's behind it.
A great philosopher. Destined to change the world.
dongiovanni wrote:
I have no problem with neurotypicals; I am VERY good friends with some (and in love with one). What you wrote is not evidence of neurotypicality; it's evidence of ignorance.
Exactly! I am the ignorant one. I should just go and make up some new arguments and then argue with myself for hours upon end because I am so ignorant.
dongiovanni wrote:
So, since you're not even going to read this, I have no problem posting it: your arguments are completely incoherent and show me that you are an unintelligent person.
Coming from you I find this comical. Think what you will.
dongiovanni wrote:
Adherence to logical principles and good debating skills are not arrogance.
Clearly you have me fooled.
dongiovanni wrote:
Autistics are not categorically arrogant.
You break the stereotype.
dongiovanni wrote:
You simply perceive a superior intelligence (and you admitted that this is what I am) as a threat and are immediately willing to write it off as a fallible characteristic.
Of course you are. A five year old never appears to others as egotistical or arrogant. At least not in your world.
dongiovanni wrote:
I think that one day autistics and neurotypicals will be able to get along, but not without considerable measures being taken by the majority to expand their theory of mind to include the minority.
Give it 1000 years and anything can happen
dongiovanni wrote:
And I do get along with other people quite well. The user xrenegadexsadizt and I are very close friends.
I hope this one isn't imaginary too. Making things up just isn't your style.
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