[Split] A discussion about evolution and relationships etc.

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we quote you as you are posting opinions that we want to discuss. we are intrigued, or maybe shocked, or interested, or surprised, or... lots of reasons. it is part of the back and forth nature of debate on here. we don't know each other deeply so we are not truly judging each other on a personal level (most of the time). it's more that we are taking issue with an idea, and we want to have some interaction with you to better understand or expose the inner thoughts.

if you disagree or have a strong opinion about *our* ideas, please don't apologise. we are seeking to discuss our ideas too, and we know that you may want to "jump on" the things we post, too. it's all part of interactions in a thread. we try to keep it relatively respectful, but people do get hot under the collar occasionally.

keep in mind that Sallamandrina is also a regular member with her own ideas, so if she is discussing things with you on a thread it is different from an actual warning or something (just in case you were worried).

one other note is that you have a distinct way of communicating, so sometimes we are not completely understanding the underlying points you are making. your english is very good, but your manipulation of the language is quite unusual to some of us. so we may just be clarifying what you are trying to say, and not actually arguing.

I quote others because I am cruel.

like this?

Grrrr.....

Oh, I am sorry. (again) I have only seen your Avatar
I have been saying 'sir' all the time since several days ago. Therefore I said it just now. How embarrassing. Is it possible to delete them?

I am still thinking about if my theory is right. The reason for me to apologize is that I suddenly felt that I cannot give you any good enough explanation now.

And it is not about different opinions, except under some particular circumstances that different opinions can easily make others angry.

For theory, I cannot choose which is the right one now. But for practise, I think I will keep my old theory and put it in practise.

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Part of the reason is that I am a non-native speaker.
The another part of it might be that my mind is so complex and inconstant, occasionally I feel that I can even hardly get clear thoughts from myself.

Its the feedback of silence that gets me confused and concerned at times, as that can be interpreted and miss interpreted in many ways by other and oneself now.

That is especially so with written communication as that lacks the added messages of paralinguistic and non verbal communication, as the words we use only make up 7% of personal communication.

Thank you...

Good definition about silence during written communication, British man.

Let's talk about Shakespeare's work, please...

There are plenty of women who are 5"4 and under though. It is not like they are a rarity.

I dont see wealth on this list. I think it is important to be able to have a reasonably ok financial future, but it doesnt mean you have to be wealthy. What to you define by wealth?

That is enough.

I am tired now. And I have finally realised again that debating itself is merely futile.

I admit that I have wasted several days. However, I want to stop now. This is much wise.

I cannot persuade anybody with my opinion, although I can persuade myself.

However, I like differences...

Let us put an end of it, please. It would not have any result. And I would not have the same understanding as most of you, women.

I prefer just practise. Instead of comparing, contrasting and correcting our theories all the time.

As a compensation of the constant chaos in these days, I am going to read some poetry now. Therefore, I can eventually have some peace and quiet.

Farewell.

In the context of the discussion where do you wish to start with Malivolio's comment about relationships in act 2 scene 5 of Twelfth Night or by looking at Caliban from the eyes of both Darwin and Freud the best sources for that IHMO are both act 1 scene 2 and act 4 scene 1 of The Tempest?

Also to note Caliban can be viewed as a physical ugly highly intelligent man of Algerian ancestry, who it has been claimed is an attempted rapist who had a dysfunctional childhood. He received an education from a noble man of the liberal arts.

In the view of calling Caliban a "salvage man" from the sources of inspiration for The Tempest and also IMO the character of Caliban from an evolutionary and colonialism approach it is best to mention Michel de Montaigne's Of the Caniballes. As well Caliban as received Lacanian (well Lacan did say he was Freudian now lol) psychoanalysis from Octave Mannoni in his book Prospero and Caliban: The Psychology of Colonization.

Finally one last fact Robert Browing wrote (published later) Caliban upon Setebos the same year that Darwin published On the Origin of Species

True, height wouldn't matter much if the man had the above qualities and lacking qualities that decrease such high status.

My point is height is just one factor, but it is still a very important one for women. If a man isn't rich, isn't a leader, isn't anything special, but he has good height, the typical woman is going to prefer him over someone else with similar personality and standing but happens to be shorter. That's because, to women, good height indicates high status and value.

I dont think height has anything to do with status and value, it is more of a body thing, women wanting to be smaller.

But from what I have known, its a matter of making the most of what you have. Some men know how to do this and some dont.

Please.

I beg all of you to put an end to it.

We will not have any results, so why wasting your time on such point?

Again. Farewell.