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20 Jul 2011, 2:36 pm

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Euphemisms are a form of distancing language plus it can be self-deception.
The phrase "girlfriend for a nite" can also be applied to one nite stands.

meh, I would replace "prostitutes" with "girlfriends", and that's about it, in that case it isn't self-deception, but "deception" towards your partner. I dunno, I think there are women who wouldn't care about that, but depending on the case, that should seem better.

according to poll i started on WP, about 65% of women would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. essentially, visiting a hooker massively narrows your pool of women who date you. if a man is already finding it hard to get dates (but not impossible), it could be a problem. just for that reason alone, i would advise against it.

i would also advise not to lie about it, because deception in a relationship is a recipe for eventual disaster. in my experience a person who is going to lie about something like that probably has other issues and situations they will keep hidden as well (i.e. would they tell a partner if they have an STI? how about a porn addiction?), but those things usually come out eventually... and that is much, much worse than being honest at the outset. if you convince yourself it is okay to lie, i doubt you would limit it to that one single event.


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20 Jul 2011, 2:47 pm

blunnet wrote:
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Euphemisms are a form of distancing language plus it can be self-deception.
The phrase "girlfriend for a nite" can also be applied to one nite stands.

meh, I would replace "prostitutes" with "girlfriends", and that's about it, in that case it isn't self-deception, but "deception" towards your partner. I dunno, I think there are women who wouldn't care about that, but depending on the case, that should seem better. On the other hand, I have thought about stating that I'm a virgin, leading to the belief that I have never been with prostitutes.


NO theres other phrases and terms for a prostitute, what's the reason for using the loose meaning of the word girlfriend to rationalise using the services of a prostitute? Its an issue of semantics here.



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20 Jul 2011, 2:51 pm

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i would also advise not to lie about it, because deception in a relationship is a recipe for eventual disaster. in my experience a person who is going to lie about something like that probably has other issues and situations they will keep hidden as well (i.e. would they tell a partner if they have an STI? how about a porn addiction?), but those things usually come out eventually... and that is much, much worse than being honest at the outset. if you convince yourself it is okay to lie, i doubt you would limit it to that one single event.

I see this honesty vs lying thing in grays. In my experience, being too honest has been a problem, and I noticed that making other people believe something that is not about you, turns out better, as well as most people are not entirely honest. To quote a fictional character most are familiar with: "Everybody lies".

There is some level of deception in every relationship when they are starting anyway, trying to impress your potential partner, and the impression you want to give is generally better than the real thing, and so on. So I really don't buy this whole honesty thing that much, considering that 'everybody lies', generally people would hide something they don't like about themselves or something they feel would scare their potential partner away. As I believe the majority of people are like that.

I'm not saying it is ok, but I am saying it is convenient.

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according to poll i started on WP, about 65% of women would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. essentially, visiting a hooker massively narrows your pool of women who date you. if a man is already finding it hard to get dates (but not impossible), it could be a problem. just for that reason alone, i would advise against it.

And it is a fine advise, however for those who have been with prostitutes, if they care about relationships, there is no much left than lying about it.



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20 Jul 2011, 3:11 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
according to poll i started on WP, about 65% of women would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. essentially, visiting a hooker massively narrows your pool of women who date you. if a man is already finding it hard to get dates (but not impossible), it could be a problem. just for that reason alone, i would advise against it.


Thats only based on the findings of your poll now. Putting this in a different context image if I polled men about woman's use of pot and got back the same results as your poll. Now if a woman smoked pot just only once in her life and/or smoked pot a few times in the few past and has stopped smoking it and has smoked pot ever since. What that still narrow down the pool. Now let put this back into the context for your poll.

If a man used the services of prostitutes just only once in his life, would that still narrow down the pool?
If a man used the services of prostitutes a few times long ago in his past, stopped using there services and had never done so ever since, would that still narrow down the pool?



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20 Jul 2011, 5:05 pm

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Pretend that your life experiences have shown you that absolutely no girl is interested in you because of your aspergian characteristics. Well, that's not strictly true BUT rather, it's that SO FEW girls in real life are interested in you that doing the "searching process" is not sufficiently efficient like it is for your everyday NT such that it's kind of impractical. So, what do you do when you have a sex drive? Get a prostitute! Simple, quick and far less costly.

This seems totally rational to me. What's your take?


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20 Jul 2011, 5:34 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
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according to poll i started on WP, about 65% of women would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. essentially, visiting a hooker massively narrows your pool of women who date you. if a man is already finding it hard to get dates (but not impossible), it could be a problem. just for that reason alone, i would advise against it.


Thats only based on the findings of your poll now. Putting this in a different context image if I polled men about woman's use of pot and got back the same results as your poll. Now if a woman smoked pot just only once in her life and/or smoked pot a few times in the few past and has stopped smoking it and has smoked pot ever since. What that still narrow down the pool. Now let put this back into the context for your poll.

If a man used the services of prostitutes just only once in his life, would that still narrow down the pool?
If a man used the services of prostitutes a few times long ago in his past, stopped using there services and had never done so ever since, would that still narrow down the pool?

for the poll women could list any exceptions they wanted, but it forced them to make a choice... if there was any chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click yes. if there was no chance it would ever be okay, they would most likely click no. they had to do their own internal decision-making as to what circumstances are acceptable to them, but by having a dividing line between yes and no we could get 2 clear groups, even if some people are *close* to the middle.

of course, it is a limited sample size and it was mostly aspies who responded. but it's the same people we interact with here on the boards. keeping in mind that votes are anonymous and men could also post in the same poll (i had no way of preventing them), it was a telling statistic.


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20 Jul 2011, 6:34 pm

OMFG Another sodding thread on prostitution for wrong planet.

And hyperlexian is once again at the forefront of argument.

I think I'm experiancing message board deja vu


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20 Jul 2011, 7:50 pm

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OMFG Another sodding thread on prostitution for wrong planet.

And hyperlexian is once again at the forefront of argument.

I think I'm experiancing message board deja vu


:lol:

This is the only forum I've ever been to where I've seen such threads.



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20 Jul 2011, 7:54 pm

Laz wrote:
OMFG Another sodding thread on prostitution for wrong planet.

And hyperlexian is once again at the forefront of argument.

I think I'm experiancing message board deja vu

and as usual Laz has only sarcastic remarks to contribute? nice one!


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20 Jul 2011, 9:43 pm

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Anyways, I think there's nothing wrong for the OP to do it.

OP, If you are that desperate for sex, then do it. maybe Ricky is right that it might remove the virginity vibe (whatever it is, I don't believe in vibes but ....whatever ...) and give you an easy mean to practice.

Getting back to this, this is being my advise to the OP as well, in the end, but also I'd advise him to be careful, this doesn't come without some risk.

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So if you want the experience of being with a woman, at least once in your entire life, then a prostitute seems to be the solution in the end (being the other probable alternative: dying without knowing how it is, then it makes sense) make sure to take a bath or a good shower after being with her (well I have done that for safety reasons) and I'd hope it would be just once, and being just for a first experience. Well, you can listen to other different advise and make a choice.


:twisted: : This is me whispering on your ear: Go for it, why wasting time asking here while you can be enjoying a good time without the usual BS, c'mon you fool!

PS - I won't held responsable for something bad happening.



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21 Jul 2011, 12:02 am

hyperlexian wrote:
blunnet wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
Euphemisms are a form of distancing language plus it can be self-deception.
The phrase "girlfriend for a nite" can also be applied to one nite stands.

meh, I would replace "prostitutes" with "girlfriends", and that's about it, in that case it isn't self-deception, but "deception" towards your partner. I dunno, I think there are women who wouldn't care about that, but depending on the case, that should seem better.

according to poll i started on WP, about 65% of women would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. essentially, visiting a hooker massively narrows your pool of women who date you. if a man is already finding it hard to get dates (but not impossible), it could be a problem. just for that reason alone, i would advise against it.


Lol, and for exactly that reason, not many men are going to be honest about their sexual history if it includes hookers. Just because they're not honest about that doesn't mean they're dishonest about everything. And, as most evolutionists knows, the people who have the greatest ability to lie (Not saying that they lie a lot, but if they "need to", then they're great at it.) tend to be the most successful in ANY domain, period.

And, if you think about it, sexual experience enhances ones confidence with women, especially sexually thus enhancing their attractiveness. So, if anything, it seems hookers help a brudda out, all in all. :lol:



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21 Jul 2011, 12:16 am

swbluto wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
blunnet wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
Euphemisms are a form of distancing language plus it can be self-deception.
The phrase "girlfriend for a nite" can also be applied to one nite stands.

meh, I would replace "prostitutes" with "girlfriends", and that's about it, in that case it isn't self-deception, but "deception" towards your partner. I dunno, I think there are women who wouldn't care about that, but depending on the case, that should seem better.

according to poll i started on WP, about 65% of women would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. essentially, visiting a hooker massively narrows your pool of women who date you. if a man is already finding it hard to get dates (but not impossible), it could be a problem. just for that reason alone, i would advise against it.


Lol, and for exactly that reason, not many men are going to be honest about their sexual history if it includes hookers. Just because they're not honest about that doesn't mean they're dishonest about everything. And, as most evolutionists knows, the people who have the greatest ability to lie (Not saying that they lie a lot, but if they "need to", then they're great at it.) tend to be the most successful in ANY domain, period.

And, if you think about it, sexual experience enhances ones confidence with women, especially sexually thus enhancing their attractiveness. So, if anything, it seems hookers help a brudda out, all in all. :lol:

naw, i'd take a virgin over an overly experienced man any day, and a truthful man over a liar. even if they are hard truths, i'd rather hear them than lies. and yes... i can tell.

you kinda throw around a lot of opinions like they are facts... can you show me where it has been shown or proven that liars are more successful than truthful people? because i looked, and it seems you have made another unfounded claim.

in my opinion, a man best bet is to wait, and look at other options, which are offered ad nauseum on the site. it would be detrimental to his chances in future if he went with a prostittue. plus, using a prostitute involves victimising a human being, which other options do not.


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21 Jul 2011, 12:27 am

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naw, i'd take a virgin over an overly experienced man any day, and a truthful man over a liar. even if they are hard truths, i'd rather hear them than lies. and yes... i can tell.


I think the fact that there aren't any girls that like me... at all... puts a dent in that. Or is it just me?



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21 Jul 2011, 12:29 am

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naw, i'd take a virgin over an overly experienced man any day, and a truthful man over a liar. even if they are hard truths, i'd rather hear them than lies. and yes... i can tell.


I think the fact that there aren't any girls that like me... at all... puts a dent in that. Or is it just me?

well... in my opinion what puts a dent in it is that you don't really try to meet any women. i'd say that's pretty common on WP.


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21 Jul 2011, 12:36 am

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naw, i'd take a virgin over an overly experienced man any day, and a truthful man over a liar. even if they are hard truths, i'd rather hear them than lies. and yes... i can tell.


I think the fact that there aren't any girls that like me... at all... puts a dent in that. Or is it just me?

well... in my opinion what puts a dent in it is that you don't really try to meet any women. i'd say that's pretty common on WP.

seems to be the hard truth



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21 Jul 2011, 12:37 am

I've been messaging on my OKC account for a while now. No, it's not 12 people a day. Maybe once every other day i'll send a message out, it's well written (definitely not a stupid form letter), makes note of things in her profile that i like (to prove that I actually read it, mostly), and most importantly, that i only message people that I think I could truly have a serious relationship with. If they respond (which is about 5% of the time), it's only once.

But even in these direst of straits I find myself in now, I would never turn to a prostitute. Even if it were 100% safe and legal. Knowing that a woman had sex with me only because I paid her just makes me feel even more stupid. It doesn't resolve the fact that I am unlovable. It's all fake.