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28 Jan 2012, 11:51 am

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Hairless European...

im not european though


Yea, I recall a pic of yours and I am not sure what ethnicity you are.

What are you?



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28 Jan 2012, 11:51 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Hairless European...

im not european though


Yea, I recall a pic of yours and I am not sure what ethnicity you are.

What are you?

half hispanic, my dads adopted so we have no clue there
I have people give me the wildest guesses of my ethnicity. Ive been asked if im german/italian/egyptian/brazilian but never rican



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28 Jan 2012, 4:40 pm

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fair enough, and it fits perfectly with the comparison to 6-pack abs.

I agree with his description. Sadly makeup is easier to show off than a 6pack

hahaha true. though i've seen plenty of men life their shirts to show it off on FB or in bars


But you can only do that when you already have attention to yourself. Cant go around flashing people


Nah, walk around in an expansion, you know, the spandex workout shirts, underarmor and the like. I'm sure we've seen guys wearing such things.



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28 Jan 2012, 5:03 pm

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it doesn't explain why women in heavy makeup get so much attention at a party (or in the media) for example. they aren't necessarily women that men would want to date, but they get attention.


Because makeup simply attracts attention. Just like flashy clothing does, or flashy paint or chromey bits on a car attract attention. It screams "GIVE ME ATTENTION" and most people oblige and give it. Also, wearing makeup in general would show that you are actively seeking someone, when women get married, they almost immediately tone down on the makeup, simply because they're no longer in dating mode, their husbands no longer need to see them in makeup, as their husband now sees them at their worst. That's why when people get married they get all old and fat and ugly, they're stuck with eachother and don't care anymore. All makeup does really is go give you a sign that says "Hey, hit on me!" But that, I believe is what it comes down to. "Taken" girls don't wear makeup, as they don't need to impress people in public, but girls looking for a mate still wear makeup to attract mates.

I guess that's my perspective as a guy, and the little observational capacity I as a guy have.

fair enough, and it fits perfectly with the comparison to 6-pack abs.


No, not really.

Heavy makeup doesn't necessarily make me feel any sort of lust unless it's somehow magically applied in a very proper way. Most of the time, it's just unattractive, though.



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28 Jan 2012, 5:27 pm

MCalavera, you haven't disproven anything just becaus you personally say you don't like heavy makeup. the majority of men do react positively to it initially, and you might be an exception. it doesn't make the tendency any less accurate overall. if you'd like to actually refute what i've said, i am open to reading some kind of scientific or scholarly articles.


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28 Jan 2012, 5:31 pm

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MCalavera, you haven't disproven anything just becaus you personally say you don't like heavy makeup. the majority of men do react positively to it initially, and you might be an exception. it doesn't make the tendency any less accurate overall. if you'd like to actually refute what i've said, i am open to reading some kind of scientific or scholarly articles.


You didn't show evidence that men are generally attracted to heavy makeup.



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28 Jan 2012, 5:38 pm

Also, if you do a Google search, you will basically see the majority of men in forums and Yahoo sections saying that heavy make up is a turn off.



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28 Jan 2012, 5:43 pm

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Also, if you do a Google search, you will basically see the majority of men in forums and Yahoo sections saying that heavy make up is a turn off.


i've found this in my experience too. i get flirted with more often if i have natural looking/little/no make up.

my boyfriend tells me off every time i wear too much makeup. :lol:



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28 Jan 2012, 5:43 pm

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Many of the women who say they do not like muscular guys are lying. I don't know how many women I have heard say that (usually total BS) and then the same women stare drooling at some buff guy with his shirt off (the athlete/toned type, usually 6-packed, not the Arnold-type). There are even few studies show that muscular guys are more likely to have sexual partners, something that makes sense for my observations.


Maybe many just don't like the sort of personality that usually accompanies that sort of physique but they like to look at it nevertheless.

well, think of it this way.

most men say they don't like heavy makeup. yet most idols that they fawn over wear heavy makeup, and if a woman with packed on makeup walks by, she is likely to get a second look.

studies have shown that men tend to glance first at pictures of women with the heavy makeup (in a group of mixed pictures), so it gets their attention and they seem attracted to that. but when men look at pictures of bare-faced women (or less makeup) alone, they tend to spend longer looking at those pix than the pix of women with heavy makeup.

so some things can draw a person's eye, but these things are ultimately not really attractive or important for longer than a few seconds. so 6-packs and heavy makeup are both irrelevant for actual dating. subjectively, a person says, "i don't like _X_" and they really mean it. however, they may still briefly notice that characteristic.



No, I think most people don't really mean it when they say I like Y or I don't like X.



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28 Jan 2012, 5:45 pm

http://kccbigcountry.hubpages.com/hub/D ... a-Six-Pack

Women generally love these kinds of guys. At the least, they fantasize about them.



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28 Jan 2012, 6:30 pm

I think men like women who do have makeup, but that sort of makeup that isn't flashy but it looks natural. So while they think they like girls without makeup, what they actually like is subtle makeup that will make you "pretty" but not flashy.

Women do like men who are fit, but I guarantee you that 6 pack is a turn off for many of them.



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28 Jan 2012, 6:33 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Many of the women who say they do not like muscular guys are lying. I don't know how many women I have heard say that (usually total BS) and then the same women stare drooling at some buff guy with his shirt off (the athlete/toned type, usually 6-packed, not the Arnold-type). There are even few studies show that muscular guys are more likely to have sexual partners, something that makes sense for my observations.


Maybe many just don't like the sort of personality that usually accompanies that sort of physique but they like to look at it nevertheless.

well, think of it this way.

most men say they don't like heavy makeup. yet most idols that they fawn over wear heavy makeup, and if a woman with packed on makeup walks by, she is likely to get a second look.

studies have shown that men tend to glance first at pictures of women with the heavy makeup (in a group of mixed pictures), so it gets their attention and they seem attracted to that. but when men look at pictures of bare-faced women (or less makeup) alone, they tend to spend longer looking at those pix than the pix of women with heavy makeup.

so some things can draw a person's eye, but these things are ultimately not really attractive or important for longer than a few seconds. so 6-packs and heavy makeup are both irrelevant for actual dating. subjectively, a person says, "i don't like _X_" and they really mean it. however, they may still briefly notice that characteristic.



No, I think most people don't really mean it when they say I like Y or I don't like X.

but most women do not actually date or marry men with 6-pack abs. and according to that same logic, men must actually like women in heavy makeup even though they say they don't. and they do. all over the interwebs men say they don't like heavy makeup, yet all of their favourite stars have it packed on. and watch mens' reactions to the women with heavier makeup at a party. it's an instant reaction.

anyway, here is a study about makeup
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObj ... tation=PDF

women with no makeup or light makeup were rated less attractive, especially when it was a faster glance. with more time to look, men rated women with the natural look or no makeup to be slightly better than they did at a quick glance.

and i expect some kind of actual scholarly refutation if you expect to be take seriously, MCalavera.


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28 Jan 2012, 6:41 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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Many of the women who say they do not like muscular guys are lying. I don't know how many women I have heard say that (usually total BS) and then the same women stare drooling at some buff guy with his shirt off (the athlete/toned type, usually 6-packed, not the Arnold-type). There are even few studies show that muscular guys are more likely to have sexual partners, something that makes sense for my observations.


Maybe many just don't like the sort of personality that usually accompanies that sort of physique but they like to look at it nevertheless.

well, think of it this way.

most men say they don't like heavy makeup. yet most idols that they fawn over wear heavy makeup, and if a woman with packed on makeup walks by, she is likely to get a second look.

studies have shown that men tend to glance first at pictures of women with the heavy makeup (in a group of mixed pictures), so it gets their attention and they seem attracted to that. but when men look at pictures of bare-faced women (or less makeup) alone, they tend to spend longer looking at those pix than the pix of women with heavy makeup.

so some things can draw a person's eye, but these things are ultimately not really attractive or important for longer than a few seconds. so 6-packs and heavy makeup are both irrelevant for actual dating. subjectively, a person says, "i don't like _X_" and they really mean it. however, they may still briefly notice that characteristic.



No, I think most people don't really mean it when they say I like Y or I don't like X.

but most women do not actually date or marry men with 6-pack abs. and according to that same logic, men must actually like women in heavy makeup even though they say they don't. and they do. all over the interwebs men say they don't like heavy makeup, yet all of their favourite stars have it packed on. and watch mens' reactions to the women with heavier makeup at a party. it's an instant reaction.

anyway, here is a study about makeup
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObj ... tation=PDF

women with no makeup or light makeup were rated less attractive, especially when it was a faster glance. with more time to look, men rated women with the natural look or no makeup to be slightly better than they did at a quick glance.

and i expect some kind of actual scholarly refutation if you expect to be take seriously, MCalavera.


You can't get everything you wish most in life, that's why so many people end up with other people that are physically far from their ideal fantasies. That doesn't mean it wasn't a preference for them.



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28 Jan 2012, 6:43 pm

i don't know anyone that has an ideal of a man with 6-pack abs. but a woman may react to seeing them. there is an important distinction there.


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28 Jan 2012, 6:46 pm

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i don't know anyone that has an ideal of a man with 6-pack abs. but a woman may react to seeing them. there is an important distinction there.


As long they positively react to it (like woowing or drooling) then it's an ideal physical feature.

But people don't like to talk about these stuff or even admit it so they don't appear shallow, especially women.



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28 Jan 2012, 6:48 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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i don't know anyone that has an ideal of a man with 6-pack abs. but a woman may react to seeing them. there is an important distinction there.


As long they positively react to it (like woowing or drooling) then it's an ideal physical feature.

But people don't like to talk about these stuff or even admit it so they don't appear shallow, especially women.

ok, so then women in heavy makeup are an ideal too. men react to it, therefore must like it best, right?

but it isn't true. we may have instantaneous reactions to things but that does not mean they are ideal to us. we may have no interest in dating or having sex with someone with 6-pack abs, but we could still notice them.


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