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21 Jan 2013, 7:12 pm

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Why Dexter?

Was afraid you might ask that. Will PM you the answer. For public viewing let's just say I like forensic scientists.

he was a sociopath, no? 8O or at least he believed himself to be and played people accordingly. i don't get the appeal, but then i don't watch the show.

Yeah you need to watch the show, he's a lovable character, especially as he learns and grows and gets better at social and emotional stuff. I haven't read the books so I'm just talk about the TV version. If you take the fact that he kills bad guys out of it, he's a socially-awkward, introverted, scientific-minded guy who's just trying to do the right thing by everyone.

he doesn't actually sound lovable to me, so i think we may have different definitions.

Like she says you have to watch the show to fully understand it. It's written in a way to make you question your notion of loveable and of who to root for.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:13 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
JBlitzen wrote:
Why Dexter?

Was afraid you might ask that. Will PM you the answer. For public viewing let's just say I like forensic scientists.

he was a sociopath, no? 8O or at least he believed himself to be and played people accordingly. i don't get the appeal, but then i don't watch the show.

Yeah you need to watch the show, he's a lovable character, especially as he learns and grows and gets better at social and emotional stuff. I haven't read the books so I'm just talk about the TV version. If you take the fact that he kills bad guys out of it, he's a socially-awkward, introverted, scientific-minded guy who's just trying to do the right thing by everyone.

he doesn't actually sound lovable to me, so i think we may have different definitions.

You still need to actually watch it :P

I don't have a definition of lovable other than "able to be loved". To me this guy would be. Minus the killing people, in case I need to say that bit again, haha.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:16 pm

Nothing wrong with killing people.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:17 pm

yeah i guess that is the point though - the concept of the show did not appeal to me, so i would never get into the character in the first place. some people are drawn to that sort of thing and others are not. i like forensics shows, but only ones with clear cut "good guys" (back in the day i used to watch law & order for example). the idea of watching this kind of show seemed sort of offputting to me. so i guess you might be openminded to that kind of character, where i am not. maybe you can understand human complexity in a way that i don't - i am a WYSIWYG person.


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21 Jan 2013, 7:17 pm

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Nothing wrong with killing people.

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21 Jan 2013, 7:18 pm

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yeah i guess that is the point though - the concept of the show did not appeal to me, so i would never get into the character in the first place. some people are drawn to that sort of thing and others are not. i like forensics shows, but only ones with clear cut "good guys" (back in the day i used to watch law & order for example). the idea of watching this kind of show seemed sort of offputting to me. so i guess you might be openminded to that kind of character, where i am not. maybe you can understand human complexity in a way that i don't - i am a WYSIWYG person.

I wasn't interested in watching the show at all. My ex used to watch it so I was around when it was on and I didn't like it. He managed to persuade me to watch it properly from the start and by the third episode I was hooked.

As for WYSIWYG, if you were one of the other main characters in the show, say, his sister, you wouldn't know he was a serial killer so you would probably love him.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:20 pm

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Nothing wrong with killing people.

i disagree, and i don't actually know how it's possible to come to that conclusion.


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21 Jan 2013, 7:25 pm

I'm pretty sure "sociopath" and "trying to do the right thing by everyone" sort of contradict each other!



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21 Jan 2013, 7:32 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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Nothing wrong with killing people.

i disagree, and i don't actually know how it's possible to come to that conclusion.

I'm hoping he was joking.

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I'm pretty sure "sociopath" and "trying to do the right thing by everyone" sort of contradict each other!

Which makes him a typical fictional character with a mental disorder who doesn't really fit into any particular bracket. That also helps him to be lovable, because if he was a classic sociopath or psychopath there probably would be a show.

Edit: And also illustrates why I don't want to give fictional characters as examples of people I find attractive.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:32 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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Nothing wrong with killing people.

i disagree, and i don't actually know how it's possible to come to that conclusion.


It could be because I'm a bad guy.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:41 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Nothing wrong with killing people.

i disagree, and i don't actually know how it's possible to come to that conclusion.

I'm hoping he was joking.

ruckus wrote:
I'm pretty sure "sociopath" and "trying to do the right thing by everyone" sort of contradict each other!

Which makes him a typical fictional character with a mental disorder who doesn't really fit into any particular bracket. That also helps him to be lovable, because if he was a classic sociopath or psychopath there probably would be a show.

Edit: And also illustrates why I don't want to give fictional characters as examples of people I find attractive.

You're right, if the audience couldn't relate to him on some level there would be little reason to watch. Fictional characters are probably bad to bring up here because they're presented in such an idealised/sensationalised package and aren't necessarily indicative of real people and their behaviours. I doubt a real serial killer would ever be quite as "lovable".



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21 Jan 2013, 7:41 pm

MCalavera wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Nothing wrong with killing people.

i disagree, and i don't actually know how it's possible to come to that conclusion.


It could be because I'm a bad guy.


I knew it!

Glad to see you admitting it! :)



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21 Jan 2013, 7:48 pm

nessa238 wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Nothing wrong with killing people.

i disagree, and i don't actually know how it's possible to come to that conclusion.


It could be because I'm a bad guy.


I knew it!

Glad to see you admitting it! :)


You were waiting for this to happen, weren't you?

I'm bad, baby! :lol: :lol: :lol:



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21 Jan 2013, 8:20 pm

ruckus wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Nothing wrong with killing people.

i disagree, and i don't actually know how it's possible to come to that conclusion.

I'm hoping he was joking.

ruckus wrote:
I'm pretty sure "sociopath" and "trying to do the right thing by everyone" sort of contradict each other!

Which makes him a typical fictional character with a mental disorder who doesn't really fit into any particular bracket. That also helps him to be lovable, because if he was a classic sociopath or psychopath there probably would be a show.

Edit: And also illustrates why I don't want to give fictional characters as examples of people I find attractive.

You're right, if the audience couldn't relate to him on some level there would be little reason to watch. Fictional characters are probably bad to bring up here because they're presented in such an idealised/sensationalised package and aren't necessarily indicative of real people and their behaviours. I doubt a real serial killer would ever be quite as "lovable".


Well you can always go off the person dexter abd most tv psychopaths are based off. Ted bundy was quite a loveable character and managed to hide his second side from his friends and family. Hell even after found guilty thousands of women still found him loveable



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21 Jan 2013, 8:23 pm

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Well you can always go off the person dexter abd most tv psychopaths are based off. Ted bundy was quite a loveable character and managed to hide his second side from his friends and family. Hell even after found guilty thousands of women still found him loveable

I don't see what's lovable about a (real, non-fictional) serial killer. Anybody who idolised that man after his deeds were brought into the public eye is completely bonkers.



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21 Jan 2013, 8:34 pm

ruckus wrote:
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Well you can always go off the person dexter abd most tv psychopaths are based off. Ted bundy was quite a loveable character and managed to hide his second side from his friends and family. Hell even after found guilty thousands of women still found him loveable

I don't see what's lovable about a (real, non-fictional) serial killer. Anybody who idolised that man after his deeds were brought into the public eye is completely bonkers.


Here's one for the record:

http://isitnormal.com/story/i-am-totall ... ndy-40735/