so if you didn't feel like you had to get a girl....

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Oh for God's sake, stop making exponential assumptions.

I'm not denying that tarantula said such a thing, but is it possible you could quote what was said, onewithstrange?

It's not like these are baseless assumptions, though. She's posted so many comments essentially saying men are inherently aggressive, violent, have difficulty controlling their emotions... and that they're rapists for not asking every time they kiss a woman. I mean, talk about going to extremes! You obviously get tired of men slagging off your gender so why shouldn't we get tired of women slagging off ours?

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf261300-0-120.html

Fourth post down, second to last paragraph. I told tarantella she represents the worst of feminism, and she replied with:

The 'Woman' she's referring to in the second line is herself.

Tell you what, I'll stop making exponential assumptions about Tarantella if she stops making exponential assumptions about men.

There's a lot of words being put in a lot of people's mouths here.

I see a number of people (both male and female) trying to help the younger men here have more successful dating/relationship/love lives, and in return some of the younger men who are having the most difficulties with women accuse those members who are trying to help them of being sexist and hating men.

Does not compute.....

Major assumptions being made here as usual. Firstly, it's not just younger men who are having the most difficulties with women, so don't be so patronising. Secondly, I have not seen Tarantella make any genuine attempt to help men having difficulties. Thirdly, why do you specify younger men? Bit ageist. Fourthly, making threads like this one which are attacking men for being hung up over being single and claiming that our insecurities are all our fault because of our "aggressive natures" is sexist. Sexism does not equate misogynism. None of the men's arguments even seem to be acknowledged here. It's one of the most one-sided debates I've ever seen

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Maybe she means 96% more likely to be sexually assaulted? Still doesn't add up.

Or maybe this figure is about Classic Autistics? You know, we are all NTs compared to the severe cases.

if suggesting to you that asking people is always best before you touch them sexually makes you so angry you need to personally insult the person who suggested it to you as the more considerate way to approach initiating sexual contact with a woman, then what does that say about you? what about what she said made you so angry that you had to insult her? you DO know that you can't actually read women's minds, and that as people on the spectrum, it's always better advice to be clear and upfront about what we want and what we're thinking/feeling with people because it helps avoid miscommunication and other problems--right? i mean, if you're wrong, you can't take the kiss back, and you've just made someone horribly uncomfortable because you were too inconsiderate to ask before assuming they wanted you to kiss them. why take that chance when you can just ask and be sure you don't accidentally make a woman really uncomfortable? unless, that is, getting a kiss is more important to you than what the woman you're kissing feels about being kissed.

I have got to get to the shop for that notebook that supplies the sources for the stats. I am getting almost nothing productive done today because of trying to find the source.

The most upsetting part of all this to me is that I'm clearly going to be thought of as some sort of woman hater when I'm really not. I am a strong believer in equality and very against abuse in relationships, whether it's between a man and a woman or same-sex couples. But I fear that defending myself against such accusations will dig myself into an even deeper hole. It's like I just have to take the accusations... and take them like a man

Sigh. I see what you mean.

Apart from that kissing is violating = rape thing, I tend to agree with tarantula on a lot of points, she raises *very* good ones and I think she makes a decent feminist overall. Accusing you of that though was quite unfair. The kissing leading to rape thing is just blown out of proportion. It's a kiss, usually intended as a romantic gesture. It isn't sex itself. Obviously the 'kissee' should physically or verbally back out as they wish without fear of being forced.

Personally I prefer someone to ask me, or rather, I'd do it on my terms...but I always mention it. I realise not everybody is like me though.

I'm really alienating myself here, aren't I? BRB going back to Mars

Yes onewithstrange, always ask before kissing, unless you are already in an established relationship with her then sudden kisses would be ok (at least, it's the case of most couples when sitting together).

Doesn't anyone agree that verbally asking before kissing someone takes away the romance a bit? Obviously I'm not saying that it's okay to lunge in quickly and aggressively, but the build up has always been exciting for me - slowly finding your faces getting closer, little snatches of eye contact between glancing down at each other's lips, then holding each other's gaze and slowly leaning in for the actual kiss. That's always the sweetest part for me

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A little known fact is the face on Cydonia is actually a self-portrait of me